PSA New Hire FO Classes Suspended

You also never answered my other question. How does the LOA language favor the company? Please compare it to the previous language.
 
hcaeborev said:
I'd be willing to bet it's a little on both sides of this story....We have upgraded hundreds with no spreadsheet issues. The company isn't out to get one guy. I'm not one to defend the company as their shenanigans have become pretty comical at this point but you really paint a pretty grim picture of life here that really isn't entirely true.....on both websites. Do I hate a lot of the stuff they pull? Of course, it is borderline criminal, but that being said I get a crap ton of days off every month and never work a single holiday. You've been here what? 6 months? 8 months? You sound like Eeyore. If it's that terrible leave, you have almost nothing invested here. Go somewhere else and see how rosy it is there.
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Get real. I just tell it like it is. I've stated the positives about PSA (and there are many) as well as the negatives. And that's good for you. I'm glad you get time off including holidays. I have worked less this year at PSA than I have in the past 10 years of my life. But just because there are positives to being at PSA, doesn't mean the negatives should be ignored.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Well thanks for putting words in my mouth there bud...

Yes, I do believe the flow should have been more than 5 with a sliding scale to a maximum of 8. Anyone thinking of coming here will look at that and laugh. The numbers say that there is no way that someone hired today should even care about the flow. It's a joke and we could have gotten more. This does not create the overall "defined career path" that AAG has said it wants its wholly-owneds to be.
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You might believe it should have been more than 5 sliding to 8 but the numbers just don't work. Maybe they could have push to the top end being 10. Between Eagle getting the greater of 360/50% plus PDT getting 36 spots there just isn't that many more to give.
 
hcaeborev said:
You also never answered my other question. How does the LOA language favor the company? Please compare it to the previous language.
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I'm on vacation right now and I'm sure you are more than capable of reading the info on our union website when it becomes available again.
 
Gonzo said:
You might believe it should have been more than 5 sliding to 8 but the numbers just don't work. Maybe they could have push to the top end being 10. Between Eagle getting the greater of 360/50% plus PDT getting 36 spots there just isn't that many more to give.
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AA just revised its projected hiring numbers for 2016 up from 600 to 750. There was room for improvement in that regard.

Look guys, we can go back and forth about it ad naseum. It passed by 82% so I'm obviously in the minority with my opinion and that being the case, I'm sure your all tired of hearing me rattle on about it. I'm over it. There will be plenty more battles to fight somewhere over the hill.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Yea accept it isn't. He has now been told that he has to wait until the next upgrade bid and he will only get awarded it if he is senior enough. And he was senior enough for the last bid award. The company, "didn't receive" his spreadsheet with his times. So due to an oversight by the company, he was passed over for upgrade. I wouldn't make the story up, and nether would he. He's a stand up guy.
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Idk what spreadsheets you are talking about as I didn't send any in.


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chrisreedrules said:
Get real. I just tell it like it is. I've stated the positives about PSA (and there are many) as well as the negatives. And that's good for you. I'm glad you get time off including holidays. I have worked less this year at PSA than I have in the past 10 years of my life. But just because there are positives to being at PSA, doesn't mean the negatives should be ignored.
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You're right, they shouldn't be ignored. But "other stuff sucks" isn't a reason to vote no on what's in front of you.
 
chrisreedrules said:
The language in the contract heavily favored the company and was poorly written (again, to management's favor). Our NC looked like a clown show when they realized that they should have received clarification on some of that language AFTER it had already gone to vote.
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I always find it amusing when people who have no clue how negotiations work complain about how negotiations work.
 
chrisreedrules said:
AA just revised its projected hiring numbers for 2016 up from 600 to 750. There was room for improvement in that regard.
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Keep in mind AA has never hired 750 pilots in a year.
Let's look at both 600 and 750
After Eagle's 360/50% you are down to 240 to 375 new hires.
After PDT's 36 you are down to 204 to 339 new hires.
Now let's look at 5 and 8 takes the number down to 144/108 to 279/243 off the street new hires.
So you are looking at 12/9 to 23/20 off the street hires a month.
Keep in mind if AA slows hiring for even one month that will eat almost all the off the street hireling spots. Because the Eagle, PSA and PDT numbers are full year numbers not month to month.
 
I'm out guys, enjoy the PSA thread... I'll stick to the non-business stuff on here from now on. This thread is hardly informative anymore and I sense it devolving into something it shouldn't be (and I'm partially at fault for that).

BobDDuck said:
I always find it amusing when people who have no clue how negotiations work complain about how negotiations work.
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You assume too much. I know a lot more than you may think. I know enough to honestly state that our NC is a mom n' pop clown show.
 
chrisreedrules said:
You assume too much. I know a lot more than you may think. I know enough to honestly state that our NC is a mom n' pop clown show.
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Ok, than tell us. How much time do you have do you have negotiationing with in the confines of the RLA? How much time do you have across the table from Glass?
 
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