The difference between a drug charge and a DUI

mshunter said:
This thread goes a long way to show how unprogressive this countries society is.

Pissing dirty/DUI should be on the same level. BOTH show a willful disregard for the law. Both should be treated equally. Both should carry stiff consequences. Neither should be a career ender, once. Habitual offense of either should be though. Get popped for a DUI/dirty test once, here's your sentence (HIMS, 6 months off work, continuing testing for a predetermined amount of time, more frequent randoms). Offend twice, buh bye. Surrender your certificates, and no more flying, professionally or otherwise for you.

Let me pose this scenario to you. You head out to a BBQ with some friends. One of the guys wives shows up with brownies. She uses medicinally. She brings the wrong batch.

"Mmmm, yummy brownies! These brownies make me feel funny."

So what do you do now? Don't start with the obvious "you need different friends." What do you do about work? Call in sick? Risk a dirty test? Tell the Chief Pilot? Tell the union?

Edit to add: I think it's important to mention, I haven't attended any barbecues recently, not have I had any brownies.
Click to expand...
Call the cops, have her busted for intent to distribute, press charges under :
RCW 9A.36.021 provides that someone who "administers to or causes to be taken by another, poison or any other destructive or noxious substance" is guilty of Assault in the Second Degree. The law includes sedatives or other sedating type drugs within this definition. This is a class B felony and is punishable by imprisonment up to 10 years.

Then take the next 6months off under disability.

:)
 
Pilot Fighter said:
One simple lesson that parents are failing to teach their children is that words and actions have consequences. Often, these consequences are unjust.

My girlfriend smokes pot. Not a big deal. She doesn't have an addictive personality and doesn't smoke daily. She has a good career and a pot charge wouldn't affect her career. Yet, she has a hard time understanding my concern for the consequences.

I don't want pot in my car, period. I don't want her carrying an empty purse that a drug dog would have an interest in. I don't want anybody dropping off pot at my house, I have a strict "no dealer" policy. She doesn't seem to understand legal and social consequences. I can thank her parents. Pot, as benign as it is, has consequences in my life.

In teaching children and teens about drugs many tend to get all scientific and fail to talk about consequences. Something as simple as mentioning the social, legal, and professional consequences of smoking pot is ignored.

It's not just about drugs. A generation (or more) and their kids think they can defend anything they say or do in a Lincoln-Douglas debate format. They forget that other people have opinions and sometimes those opinions matter, alot.
Click to expand...

Having grown up and gone to college in the great state of Oregon (before legal pot was a thing), I was always the guy who had to step out when people starting smoking pot at parties, which was basically every party. Not worth it for my, at the time, budding ROTC and potential future Navy career. Not worth it for flying if statement 1 hadn't worked out. Everyone knew my deal and nobody cared (didn't really care if they did). Ironically, my wife who did experiment to some extent when she was younger, vehemently feels that we should tell our newborn (when he is older) that he should never touch drugs or alcohol. Of course I would prefer if he didn't, but I think that guidance is lost without an understanding of the future professional impact such a thing can have on people, much less on teenagers who don't even care about being "professionals" one day. I would personally rather be honest, but without straying too much from the point, actions have consequences, and in this world, drugs are much worse than alcohol in many of the eyes of bosses, people that hire people, and people in positions of seniority. I got lucky because I never really had the urge, but to the young padawans out there, beware of the future consequences of your actions (particularly in this business).
 
Derg said:
Putting my recruiter hat on:

A DUI and ten years, I can be understanding if you have a solid resume and you've shown strong evidence of growth and have an exemplary resume where not for this, you would be a top of the top candidate.

Multiple DUI's in the last ten years, not so much. Must have a rock solid resume and a couple moon landings, I can maybe make a case, but it's rare and there will be a lot of "headwind" making the case to the manager.

A drug charge or failing a drug test? My hands are completely tied. Sorry Pope Benedict, but enjoy Popeing.
Click to expand...
The former HIMS chairmen at OO got popped for weed, got fired, got rehired and is now on 4th year pay at UAL. It's not what you've done but who you know. SMH
 
mrivc211 said:
The former HIMS chairmen at OO got popped for weed, got fired, got rehired and is now on 4th year pay at UAL. It's not what you've done but who you know. SMH
Click to expand...

I dunno... The relapse rate for people that make it through the program is pretty damn low. I'd say United is getting an almost sure thing as far as a clean pilot goes.

EDIT: But yes, committee work for a union (or ummm... school council) does open up some pretty amazing networking opportunities.
 
mrivc211 said:
The former HIMS chairmen at OO got popped for weed, got fired, got rehired and is now on 4th year pay at UAL. It's not what you've done but who you know. SMH
Click to expand...
Naw, man. They entrapped him into the bong hit so they could pay him less. ;)
 
I made mistakes when I was younger, resulting in a pot charge (2002) among others. These events happened many years before I even took my first flying lesson, and I have had zero problems with the law in any sense since then. Currently, I am transitioning from my 1st 135 gig (boxes) into my second (people and jetsss).

The road has been EXTREMELY difficult for me thus far, but it's not impossible! Being motivated, creative, friendly and persistent pays off!

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
 
ItsAFunZone said:
I made mistakes when I was younger, resulting in a pot charge (2002) among others. These events happened many years before I even took my first flying lesson, and I have had zero problems with the law in any sense since then. Currently, I am transitioning from my 1st 135 gig (boxes) into my second (people and jetsss).

The road has been EXTREMELY difficult for me thus far, but it's not impossible! Being motivated, creative, friendly and persistent pays off!

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

Good for you man. There by the grace of God go I...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top