STARs and speed/altitude restrictions in a GA plane

meh, ok. Perhaps "scared" is too strong a word. I know I was "uncomfortable" VFR for a while and only doing it cured that. That being said, the DC/NY airspace is it's own animal, so ymmv with what's the best technique in your neck of the woods.

It's really more an ideological issue for me. As I said, I don't think you should be allowed to go plowing through the sky without an IFR flight plan. So obviously I'm not going to do something that I think shouldn't be allowed.
 
It's really more an ideological issue for me. As I said, I don't think you should be allowed to go plowing through the sky without an IFR flight plan. So obviously I'm not going to do something that I think shouldn't be allowed.
I'm cool with that, as soon as they start building approaches to places like these -
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Not in the slightest. Give me one example of something I might like to do that I can't do with an IFR flight plan.

Um, one example that comes to mind is a flight review. Pretty much need to be VFR for most maneuvers, since the stick and rudder stuff would all be special emphasis for me with anyone that mostly flies IFR cross country....
 
And FYI, we did all of the in-airplane training in the Hondo, including maneuvers like stalls and steep turns, on an IFR flight plan. ATC was happy to give us block altitudes and leave us alone to do maneuvers work, then we just told them when we were done and they vectored us for approaches. No big deal. Doesn't require VFR.
 
It's really more an ideological issue for me. As I said, I don't think you should be allowed to go plowing through the sky without an IFR flight plan. So obviously I'm not going to do something that I think shouldn't be allowed.
Out west you'll be out of luck trying to get IFR in a lot of areas. Out of Paige, AZ we had to climb to 16,000 just to contact a controller. You'll be out of radar and radio coverage in a NA piston.
 
Out west you'll be out of luck trying to get IFR in a lot of areas. Out of Paige, AZ we had to climb to 16,000 just to contact a controller. You'll be out of radar and radio coverage in a NA piston.
He can probably stay at the MEAs if he gets a clearance in say ABQ and will be given a "call in 159 miles on 1xx.xx". So whatever semblance of IFR that gives him....
We get it up north in the lower flight levels even. At least there you're reasonably sure there is no other traffic.
If FSS was worth anything in that area, it looks like you could have used them to coordinate departures and position reports for non-radar off the RCO, but I doubt anyone at lockheed even knows what those things are.
 
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Like I said, the the MEAs are almost all 10k or lower where I'm heading. There is a very short leg where it's 12k, but I could avoid even that by taking a different airway that adds only about 10 miles to the trip. But I always plan 12k, anyway.

It's true that you have to be more flexible in your routing when flying IFR. You can't go exactly the route you want to go all the time. But I consider that to be a fair trade-off for the benefits.
 
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The guy who won't fly VFR, is also the same guy that will have the airplane on autopilot the entire trip outside of the first and last 100ft or so.. @ATN_Pilot

Unfortunately, it doesn't have that sophisticated an autopilot. I actually have to fly the climb and descent. It's brutal. :D
 
Of course, but you're not getting the aforementioned benefits of IFR.



Not in the slightest. Give me one example of something I might like to do that I can't do with an IFR flight plan.



Yes, I know all of that, but I was asking what ATC preferred. Remember, this is the Pilot-Controller Questions forum.

Well, first off, do you have a Sat Phone? Because if you don't there are very many airports throughout the country where you wouldn't be able to cancel IFR on the ground. But presuming that you don't want to go to any of those airports, ever, consider this, there are a lot of times where a mix of VFR and IFR is much better than simply going IFR. If memory serves, you're out by Georgia. So here's something you might like to do: Fly to Asheville, NC in the winter. It would be very easy to go in there VFR under the clouds and be perfectly safe in December, but at 5,000' be in terrible icing conditions. What would you rather do in the Mooney? I could very easily foresee a situation where you're perfectly legal at 1500' AGL (about 3700' MSL) going into Asheville but are packing on ice at 5,000' to start the approach. I mean, that just took me about 10 minutes to find, there are countless other times where it's sometimes way better to go VFR than IFR in light aircraft.

I understand if you don't want to do it because you're not comfortable with it, in fact, I'd respect that. The last thing we need is more guys doing things they're not comfortable with. But saying that you're ideologically opposed to the idea of VFR is largely silly. VFR can be done safely, not only that, but remember, even though ATC is handling separation, you're just as responsible for "see-and-avoid" under IFR as VFR if you're in VMC. ATC can and does miss traffic. It's not an anti-authority thing, it's a tool, like any other tool. Use all the tools you're comfortable with. I'll be honest, I very seldomly go VFR. IFR is simply so much easier to use, the services are better, etc. But when I need to get someplace that doesn't have an approach, or someplace that's off the airway structure, VFR is often the only option.
 
Well, first off, do you have a Sat Phone? Because if you don't there are very many airports throughout the country where you wouldn't be able to cancel IFR on the ground. But presuming that you don't want to go to any of those airports, ever, consider this, there are a lot of times where a mix of VFR and IFR is much better than simply going IFR. If memory serves, you're out by Georgia. So here's something you might like to do: Fly to Asheville, NC in the winter. It would be very easy to go in there VFR under the clouds and be perfectly safe in December, but at 5,000' be in terrible icing conditions. What would you rather do in the Mooney? I could very easily foresee a situation where you're perfectly legal at 1500' AGL (about 3700' MSL) going into Asheville but are packing on ice at 5,000' to start the approach. I mean, that just took me about 10 minutes to find, there are countless other times where it's sometimes way better to go VFR than IFR in light aircraft.

I understand if you don't want to do it because you're not comfortable with it, in fact, I'd respect that. The last thing we need is more guys doing things they're not comfortable with. But saying that you're ideologically opposed to the idea of VFR is largely silly. VFR can be done safely, not only that, but remember, even though ATC is handling separation, you're just as responsible for "see-and-avoid" under IFR as VFR if you're in VMC. ATC can and does miss traffic. It's not an anti-authority thing, it's a tool, like any other tool. Use all the tools you're comfortable with. I'll be honest, I very seldomly go VFR. IFR is simply so much easier to use, the services are better, etc. But when I need to get someplace that doesn't have an approach, or someplace that's off the airway structure, VFR is often the only option.
Dude, just stop. Unless you're asking about 2 or 3 very specific topics you're going to get a response pulled from whoknowswhere informed by lots of opinion and no experience.
 
Well, first off, do you have a Sat Phone? Because if you don't there are very many airports throughout the country where you wouldn't be able to cancel IFR on the ground.

I can't imagine a situation where I'd be going to an airport without cell phone service.

But presuming that you don't want to go to any of those airports, ever, consider this, there are a lot of times where a mix of VFR and IFR is much better than simply going IFR. If memory serves, you're out by Georgia. So here's something you might like to do: Fly to Asheville, NC in the winter. It would be very easy to go in there VFR under the clouds and be perfectly safe in December, but at 5,000' be in terrible icing conditions. What would you rather do in the Mooney? I could very easily foresee a situation where you're perfectly legal at 1500' AGL (about 3700' MSL) going into Asheville but are packing on ice at 5,000' to start the approach. I mean, that just took me about 10 minutes to find, there are countless other times where it's sometimes way better to go VFR than IFR in light aircraft.

I would never fly around at 1,500 AGL.

VFR can be done safely

Your idea of "safe" is clearly much different than mine. I'd eliminate "see and avoid" along with VFR if I was king for a day.
 
I can't imagine a situation where I'd be going to an airport without cell phone service.

So... I suggest you do some research. http://opensignal.com/ Coverage looks pretty good zoomed out, but as you zoom in you see there are a lot of gaps. Don't count on being able to get cell service everywhere you could want to go.

I would never fly around at 1,500 AGL.

Why not?

Your idea of "safe" is clearly much different than mine. I'd eliminate "see and avoid" along with VFR if I was king for a day.

I'm sure that's the truth.
 
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