A little birdy/ExpressJet
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Blackhawk
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Horizon had 12-year FO's and nobody bats an eye.
ExpressJet has high time FO's and everyone loses their minds.
I don't think anyone is losing their minds- except maybe the FO's who have been there forever and see pilots with less total experience moving on. The issue for legacy carriers is to figure out those pilots who will best fulfil their needs. Do they want the pilot with 2 years of 121 time, but who has TPIC? Or do they want the one with 8 years 121 time but all of it is FO time? Obviously these are the two extremes and many pilots will fall in between. I imagine their HR departments do look (or at least should look), at those who are successful in training, those who make it but with more time, those who wash out.
BTW, I have talked to someone in a legacy training department and while he is only one instructor his feedback was that the few high time FO's he encountered from my airline were among the easiest to train.
mastermags
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Just waiting for @ATN_Pilot to give his 2 cents and detail the thread.
Cherokee_Cruiser
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mastermags
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Ah, derail! DYAC!!!Detail or derail?
I could use a detail to get the tree sap off my beemer!
motormadness24
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poser765
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Yeah I kind of wonder sometimes...I am the only person who is in a hurry to upgrade NOT for the golden TPIC but in order to start making a reasonable living?Although in TPIC's defense, it does pay more when you are logging it
I'm also really of the opinion that I shouldn't be held to a lower standard because didn't maintain loyalty to a company who's very existence is to encourage rapid turnover. We pilots don't want to be at regionals very long, and the regionals don't want us to be there long. So why should it matter?
"We see that you have bounced around a few times with companies that really don't encourage longevity. We would really like to see more stability in your resume." That just seems like a face palm kind of thing.
Oh well...it is what it is.
His ears are still ringing from when he saw me "drop the mic" on an overly braggadocio freight pilot a few weeks ago.
Gotta humble brag, but I handled that like a pro.
Screaming_Emu
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Related, XJT COO bails after 10 months on the job.
gotWXdagain
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Well, now you know what this week's corporate buyback was for.
Snickersnwa
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I hadn't heard the first part, but find that interesting if true. I was an FO at ExpressJet for seven years (including two years of furlough) and was hired at Derg's airline a year ago. No TPIC. Honestly, I'm not sure if I left Express in search of TPIC that I would be where I am today.
Ironically, I believe had I not been furloughed, I wouldn't have had the opportunity to interview here when I did. I'm pretty sure the jobs I held during furlough had something to do with the interview invite... I lectured at a big name flight school/university, and worked for the company that makes the training program that Derg's airline uses to teach aircraft systems as well as the touch-screen procedure trainers. (I helped create/design the training modules for the A320/A330/757/DC9). I was very fortunate, and a little lucky along the way no doubt.
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Eagle421flyer
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I'm big on doing what's right for you (and your family) at the time. So if you're at XJT and jump to (insert quick upgrade regional here) so you can make captian and actually finacially support your family the pic is just a bonus, because if a major never calls are you going to be better off as a ca or an fo at a regional.
Blackhawk
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That depends on how long you are there, pay rates, contract QOL, etc. For example, I have not topped out yet my pay rate is significantly higher than PSA's top rate. Even with their bonus my pay rate is higher than the max Endeavor pay rate.
Roger Roger
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Link?
Screaming_Emu
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That's nice and all. However I hit 8 years in November and I'm still nowhere near upgrading to those kind of rates.
I believe that was his point.
Gonzo
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Guys read this a few times, I had dinner last night with some of the people that do the hiring at my shop. One of the CPs that does interviews said there is no magic formula to getting a job. Internal recommendations help get them a interview but once they show up at the interview all internals and even the flight time go out the window and it is about the person sitting in front of the panel.
Blackhawk
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I would hardly say "nowhere near upgrading", and no, the rates don't come right away. His point was if you don't move on. If you don't move on would you really prefer to be at GoJet versus here? Your rates alone might not be far apart initially, but such things as 100% DH would be different. Also, I have not met crews from GoJet who were happy with their employment. None.