Second SkyWest pay package offer sent for membership ratification

Blackhawk said:
It's going to be the Christmas bonus.
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When we got our own iPads at my last job it was like christmas for morons. People were looking at porn on their EFB, jailbroke them, all kinds of nonsense. The party was over when they were company property, if you damaged the unit you replaced it out of pocket and you only got 20$ to expense toward a protective case. I also got reminded not to look at porn by a friend in management. She knew about a crackdown and was trying to warn people that pilots were getting called into the head office to be admonished for it. It sounded pretty embarrassing and fortunately I had always considered the company EFB company property. I never looked at anything on the device that I didn't want HR knowing about, from the beginning.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
When we got our own iPads at my last job it was like christmas for morons. People were looking at porn on their EFB, jailbroke them, all kinds of nonsense. The party was over when they were company property, if you damaged the unit you replaced it out of pocket and you only got 20$ to expense toward a protective case. I also got reminded not to look at porn by a friend in management. She knew about a crackdown and was trying to warn people that pilots were getting called into the head office to be admonished for it. It sounded pretty embarrassing and fortunately I had always considered the company EFB company property. I never looked at anything on the device that I didn't want HR knowing about, from the beginning.
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Don't know about the "Evil Empire" side (I'm kidding), but on the XJT side they will be ours. Of course if you leave before a certain time you pay a prorated price for the device- I don't remember all the details. I'll look at it closer when I get one.
But the essence is that the memory is devided in half. Part goes to the company and only the IT Manager can change it. The other side is yours so you can load as many Telituby reruns as you want.
 
surreal1221 said:
I'll be very surprised if it ever gets released. Have you contacted either of your DTW reps for details or an update?
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Since nothing will probably be released in written form that would require both of us being present in the DTW crew lounge at the same time. Not likely.
 
Blackhawk said:
Don't know about the "Evil Empire" side (I'm kidding), but on the XJT side they will be ours. Of course if you leave before a certain time you pay a prorated price for the device- I don't remember all the details. I'll look at it closer when I get one.
But the essence is that the memory is devided in half. Part goes to the company and only the IT Manager can change it. The other side is yours so you can load as many Telituby reruns as you want.
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Since we get whatever you negotiate (blah blah blah)...
 
surreal1221 said:
Or a phone call...

Communication is a two way street.
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Communication is much more effective when you sit back and let the MEC/negotiators do their thing and present a package, then complain about how awful they are to present a TA that is crap.
In all seriousness, at the risk of high jacking the thread I've almost come to the conclusion that it is pointless. The XJT and ASA Pilot groups are so very different and I don't think we will ever agree on anything.
 
Blackhawk said:
Communication is much more effective when you sit back and let the MEC/negotiators do their thing and present a package, then complain about how awful they are to present a TA that is crap.
In all seriousness, at the risk of high jacking the thread I've almost come to the conclusion that it is pointless. The XJT and ASA Pilot groups are so very different and I don't think we will ever agree on anything.
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Meanwhile, SGU chuckles at you guys. :-/
 
Blackhawk said:
Communication is much more effective when you sit back and let the MEC/negotiators do their thing and present a package, then complain about how awful they are to present a TA that is crap.
In all seriousness, at the risk of high jacking the thread I've almost come to the conclusion that it is pointless. The XJT and ASA Pilot groups are so very different and I don't think we will ever agree on anything.
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Yet it interested you enough to see how it would compare with what was presented to the SkyWest pilot group.

Very well.

I believe in a transparent communication philosophy that welcomes opinions, structured and informed, from the very people who an organization's leadership is representing, leading, or working on behalf of. I recognize that this may significantly different than the opinions of some of my fellow pilots but I must admit that the level of apathy that exist is ridiculously high and it isn't all because the "Organization" doesn't communicate (this is not a judgment, rather a statement for context) but rather its members are not engaging enough to be active in receiving information or data - or seeking it in the first place.

Thoroughly disappointing especially when it is the representatives that are elected by what appears to be so few people who then decide that they are not interested in being informed about the matters that will affect their careers. I also can see how if one has been here long enough that they disengage and end up not having a desire. To each his own...until the complaining occurs.

A feedback system, specifically addressing the desires of the pilot(s) at our company does exist and it is principally a phone, e-mail, or face-to-face interaction with the very individuals who are tasked to serve on your behalf. You know this already, but I have a certain level of frustration that comes from recognizing a problem that exists in so many organizations today.
 
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surreal1221 said:
Yet it interested you enough to see how it would compare with what was presented to the SkyWest pilot group.

Very well.

I believe in a transparent communication philosophy that welcomes opinions, structured and informed, from the very people who an organization's leadership is representing, leading, or working on behalf of. I recognize that this may significantly different than the opinions of some of my fellow pilots but I must admit that the level of apathy that exist is ridiculously high and it isn't all because the "Organization" doesn't communicate (this is not a judgment, rather a statement for context) but rather its members are not engaging enough to be active in receiving information or data - or seeking it in the first place.

Thoroughly disappointing especially when it is the representatives that are elected by what appears to be so few people who then decide that they are not interested in being informed about the matters that will affect their careers. I also can see how if one has been here long enough that they disengage and end up not having a desire. To each his own...until the complaining occurs.

A feedback system, specifically addressing the desires of the pilot(s) at our company does exist and it is principally a phone, e-mail, or face-to-face interaction with the very individuals who are tasked to serve on your behalf. You know this already, but I have a certain level of frustration that comes from recognizing a problem that exists in so many organizations today.
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Lighten up Francis.
My curiosity is just that- curiousness. I did not feel this was the place to air dirty laindry but since you feel differently.
Feedback? Look at the Acey MEC Facebook page and see where "feedback" is getting us. XJT pilots insisting they will vote against a TA with PBS, ASA pilots insisting they will vote against a TA without it. Frankly I am beginning to think most of our pilots were found on a kindergarten playground.
I've got my opinions on things but there is so much chatter now that it is almost pointless. The last TA was voted down. I think management and the MECs have a good idea why. I'll let the process work and see what comes out.
 
I can understand how what I said may appear to be stuffy or uptight, but the reality is that couldn't be further from the truth.

I have an eye for a lot of these issues and I find them intriguing from an academic and organizational standpoint. I question how we got to this point of such disengagement and a clear inability to hold civil discourse regarding matters that directly affect our careers.

Take care

((RE: Feedback :: look at the mediums I mentioned, none included social media. The effectiveness of the joint Facebook group is challenged when it isn't controlled...it has, it appears, become a venue that is an extension of the ExpressJet Pilot's The Pipe.))
 
surreal1221 said:
I can understand how what I said may appear to be stuffy or uptight, but the reality is that couldn't be further from the truth.

I have an eye for a lot of these issues and I find them intriguing from an academic and organizational standpoint. I question how we got to this point of such disengagement and a clear inability to hold civil discourse regarding matters that directly affect our careers.

Take care

((RE: Feedback :: look at the mediums I mentioned, none included social media. The effectiveness of the joint Facebook group is challenged when it isn't controlled...it has, it appears, become a venue that is an extension of the ExpressJet Pilot's The Pipe.))
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How do you get what I wrote to "disengagement"? Frankly there is probably too much "engagement" at this point. I am in favor of ALPA representation but at this point unless the ExpressJet side gets something far and beyond what SkyWest got, unlikely given the FFD landscape, any pikot looking at this would have to ask long and hard what advantage ALPA gives. We've been in talks... how many years? No agreement. Pilot groups seem to hate each other for the record I don't bear the XJT side any annomosity). Give me some of that.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
ALPA can't save pilots from their own stupidity. When you sit around arguing about PBS for years on end, when one side already has the industry leading PBS solution, you get the stagnation that you deserve.
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As much as I want to write that it would not be in the interest of PILOT unity and playing nice. Sometimes I just want to cry when I hear "No contract with PBS."
Unfortunately groups such as the SkyWest pilots look at this and put it on ALPA.
Ok, someone tell me how to get my stupid iPhone to stop capitalizing pilot.
 
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