Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
No, it isn't used interchangeably with "min fuel" or "emergency fuel" at all, although I have no idea what they're teaching at Allengiant.
Allegiant Air Fuel Incident
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No, it isn't used interchangeably with "min fuel" or "emergency fuel" at all, although I have no idea what they're teaching at Allengiant.
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
Who the F cares what you call it...if you're low on gas, use whatever terminology you have to get that point across.
Low on gas = ATC get everyone else out of of way, I'm landing first.
(Had to use it with SEA Approach end of last summer, pretty sure we called it bingo...but either way, they knew that we needed to land ASAP)
Low on gas = ATC get everyone else out of of way, I'm landing first.
(Had to use it with SEA Approach end of last summer, pretty sure we called it bingo...but either way, they knew that we needed to land ASAP)
genot
Well-Known Member
Wow, an article I can respond to intelligently on JC!
I've been ATC POC to an airshow and on three occasions forced the show box sterile/limited (granted for medivacs, failure to read NOTAMS is an entirely different thing). That part isn't hard. "Hey Airboss, shut them down." How this became an emergency is beyond me. Great, the Blue Angels are up, clear the box, emergency inbound.
I've also never heard bingo fuel on freq. I know what it means, but the one occasion it could have ever been used on my frequency, Bingo never came up. Plain English did and it was a Navy guy.
I've been ATC POC to an airshow and on three occasions forced the show box sterile/limited (granted for medivacs, failure to read NOTAMS is an entirely different thing). That part isn't hard. "Hey Airboss, shut them down." How this became an emergency is beyond me. Great, the Blue Angels are up, clear the box, emergency inbound.
I've also never heard bingo fuel on freq. I know what it means, but the one occasion it could have ever been used on my frequency, Bingo never came up. Plain English did and it was a Navy guy.
PositionAndHold
Well-Known Member
It's kind of obvious to me he used "bingo fuel" because he knew he was F'd and didn't want to declare. He was hoping the controller took a little pitty and let him in. It didn't work and he declared.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Need to use proper ICAO phraseology folks or you can be in a world of hurt.
There is a reason for that phraseology!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52
I use "bingo" but luckily only in the cockpit. Like getting sent to hold and deciding what we're going to call "bingo" fuel.
To at, however, I'd probably use "minimum" and "emergency" fuel. But if my heart was pumping, I'd be happy with just blurting out basic English and not dropping an F bomb.
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Seggy
Well-Known Member
Do you also use 'ping'?
I should.
Just to watch your head spin.
It depends on the corporate culture. I can say "Well, I want to land at (diversionary airport) at no less than 4.0 so we have another 2000 until I'll call bingo and bug out and a vast majority of the people I'm communicating with in the cockpit will understand.
I don't know, whatever the corporate culture deems familiar that we're all speaking the same language, but my language with ATC is a little more direct because "emergency fuel" and "minimum fuel" mean very different things to controllers so I want to be very direct. Especially where it seems like the controller thought the pilot was trying to blow off the NOTAMS and "bully" his way into a closed airport because he didn't come right out and say "emergency fuel" or "minimum fuel".
I'm glad it all got resolved and, well, NOTAMS mean stuff.
I should.
Just to watch your head spin.
It depends on the corporate culture. I can say "Well, I want to land at (diversionary airport) at no less than 4.0 so we have another 2000 until I'll call bingo and bug out and a vast majority of the people I'm communicating with in the cockpit will understand.
I don't know, whatever the corporate culture deems familiar that we're all speaking the same language, but my language with ATC is a little more direct because "emergency fuel" and "minimum fuel" mean very different things to controllers so I want to be very direct. Especially where it seems like the controller thought the pilot was trying to blow off the NOTAMS and "bully" his way into a closed airport because he didn't come right out and say "emergency fuel" or "minimum fuel".
I'm glad it all got resolved and, well, NOTAMS mean stuff.
Blame dispatch.
Yes. Avianca 52 is a great example.
I really don't want to dance around with not declaring an emergency for pride or paperwork.
I might scream like a bitch and embarrass myself on the liveatc tape, but at least I'll be around to hear it.
Nor do you want engines flaming out on touchdown or taxi in. Just poor technique for any kind of normal situation, but has happened.
PositionAndHold
Well-Known Member
Just curious, have you ever been south of the equator? If so how far? Last month I fuel stopped in southern Argentina. We were about 200 miles from our destination in Uruguay. Our destination didn't have fuel so we had to get enough for our round trip back to Argentina. The controller in Argentina switched us over to our destination in Uruguay. We tried for several minutes to communicate in our "ICAO standard phraseology ". When we couldn't establish comms we switched backed to Argentina as we were crossing a border. I asked them if they spoke English at out destination. He response was "I guess not, I'll call them on the phone, stay on my frequency." The whole trip was faaaaar from standard ICAO, including stops in Peru.
PositionAndHold
Well-Known Member
Sounds like perfect fuel management.
Area 5150
Model citizen, Zero discipline
Don't even ask.
I know you said, "don't even ask", but damn....no link? That's hardcore, bro!
No link.
You're not getting it, not even my mods or even my wife who said "that's a great learning tool" across the couch when I found it.
Nope nope nope.
Good grief. Looking over at LiveATC, yup there's tape of me discontinuing an approach fast-talking approach control about what I was going to do and not do when the storm intensified.
Don't even ask.
.......lest Velo is reading this.
Oh lordy, lordy.
I'm sure I'm on all kinna "let's GEET EEM' lists, might as well not make it too easy for them.
FM_Weasel
Well-Known Member
Yes.
YES
Here it is again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52
If the precedent for this was any more obvious it'd be crashing into our homes on fumes this very second.