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UAL747400 said:
Our CP said us Metro guys aren't right in the head... :)

Still trying to figure out who you are. I know a *last name* Cook here, but I'm guessing that's not who I think it is... :)
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Haven't worked at AMF for a few years now. Was Portland based for a year then BFI for two years. Cpt Cook refers to the sailor that "discovered" Hawaii (where I'm from). I'm like Batman. I never reveal my true identity. We probably never met. Outside of the NW I only did a week in Dallas for 99 training and a week in BUf on TDY.

PA31 training was tedious. I was in one of Bobs last classes which sucked, but I went to college with one of the training captains and didn't deal with his crap cuz I knew he was full of it. I probably hate the plane cuz I went from a twin otter back to flying a piston.
 
Cpt Cook said:
Haven't worked at AMF for a few years now. Was Portland based for a year then BFI for two years. Cpt Cook refers to the sailor that "discovered" Hawaii (where I'm from). I'm like Batman. I never reveal my true identity. We probably never met. Outside of the NW I only did a week in Dallas for 99 training and a week in BUf on TDY.
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Yeah, we haven't met. I was thinking you were maybe KC... It'd be pretty funny if you were actually!
 
Cpt Cook said:
That would be awesome, but no. I did learn that jacket over the uniform trick from him. Never wore a tie after that.
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What I just said in another thread wouldn't go over well... :) We wear the full uniform with the tie in BQN! Because I'm a dick... :)
 
Anyone familiar with this new Pre-training sim stuff that is being offered through US aviation in Denton? Apparently it exists to get candidates Multi engine and instrument proficiency up where it needs to be to make training smoother. Obviously it's all paid for and a hotel is provided for the week long event which takes place exactly one week prior to Indoc. I got a call from them offering the training and I'm most likely going to take it since I haven't flown a twin for awhile and wouldn't mind the extra sim time.
 
Inverted said:
I would absolutely caution you. Do not go into training at AMF if you are rusty in anything.
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I don't feel rusty on anything and I have a lot of recent instrument experience, but at the same time, with how tough I've heard the training department is, I don't think the extra sim time would hurt.
 
They tested something like this in Burbank with a guy out of VanNuys a couple years ago. He taught a 3 or 4 day course on instrument procedures in a 2 seat Frasca sim that he had sped up to the speeds close to a 99/1900/metro. You would spend 3 hours in the left seat and then 3 hours in the right seat, practicing instrument procedures and CRM. Each 3 hour session was broken into 2 parts with a quick 10 minute break in the middle. It was ok. Decent, but not great. The most helpful part was that we flew the same approaches that you would do in the AMF sims. Since I had not spent much time in Southern California, and had never flown there, it really helped with the situational awareness of it all. AMF does things like speed you up and slow you down, and give you several vectors, and it is easy to get disoriented. You aren't really sure if in the 5 minutes of flying if you have covered 5 miles or 150 miles. You have to find your position using radials and DME which is hard for some people to get used to. You can't say...well, I passed this VOR about 5 minutes ago, so I should be here. You may be 100 miles off.

The problem was that there were quite a few things that this guy would teach that would be completely different from what AMF taught. He said that AMF had certain callouts and procedures, you would practice them, and they were just plain wrong. He would also teach that you do not need to "dive and drive" to each fix on a non-precision approach. AMF teaches (or did at the time...not sure what has changed) that you need to hurry down to the next altitude and level off, not set a constant rate of descent to cross each fix at the assigned altitude.

At the end of the day, this course should not be needed. The pilots should already have instrument proficiency, and the company should work harder to train the pilots that need a little help (and not expect them to come in with flows, callouts, memory items, and more already memorized)
 
A150K said:
Anyone familiar with this new Pre-training sim stuff that is being offered through US aviation in Denton? Apparently it exists to get candidates Multi engine and instrument proficiency up where it needs to be to make training smoother. Obviously it's all paid for and a hotel is provided for the week long event which takes place exactly one week prior to Indoc. I got a call from them offering the training and I'm most likely going to take it since I haven't flown a twin for awhile and wouldn't mind the extra sim time.
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Take it. For so many reasons take it.
1. What do you have better to do?
2. The perception of you going looks far better than you not going and having an issue in training. Any hiccup will be scrutinized, and it is their life's goal to find the hiccup. They will find your weakness.

There's more, but if you're not convinced, than I really have nothing better to offer. Good luck! Enjoy the schedule. ;)

Regarding what @tbstanto has said, EVERYTHING that you need to succeed in training has been sent to you. You must have that stuff memorized before going to indoc (flows and callouts). If the gouge that you get in the spin-up session that you're going to is wrong, than make sure that they are getting it right.

I can assure you that Sam has dotted his i's and crossed his t's in selecting the company that is running the sims. He is immaculate when it comes to details like that. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
 
Inverted said:
This is what AMF indoc should be. I have been saying this for a while now. AMF could bring this in house, and it would be a fantastic training program.
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Meh, I've never found swiching between the two to be a big deal, granted my private and instrument were on a 6 pack. Everything else was glass. I'm very much a child of magenta though. The ONLY thing the training program needed to change was the yelling and swearing. I can throw it right back or ignore them with the best of them at this point, but if it's your first job, that's hard to do.

That being said, pilots just aren't that great anymore. 200 hour guys were going to the regionals left and right in 2009 with zero issues, now, 1500 hour guys failing training is pretty common and if they don't fail, are pretty useless on the line. Repeating what I'm hearing from Compass and Air Wisconsin only, so take it with a grain of salt I guess
 
UAL747400 said:
Meh, I've never found swiching between the two to be a big deal, granted my private and instrument were on a 6 pack. Everything else was glass. I'm very much a child of magenta though. The ONLY thing the training program needed to change was the yelling and swearing. I can throw it right back or ignore them with the best of them at this point, but if it's your first job, that's hard to do.

That being said, pilots just aren't that great anymore. 200 hour guys were going to the regionals left and right in 2009 with zero issues, now, 1500 hour guys failing training is pretty common and if they don't fail, are pretty useless on the line. Repeating what I'm hearing from Compass and Air Wisconsin only, so take it with a grain of salt I guess
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I bet the percentage of lackluster pilots hasn't changed much. The real shift is where the pilots with talent are going.

You quoted my response, but missed what I was saying. I think its great that AMF is offering a program to get people up to speed before indoc.
 
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