Delta TA

@Derg you shouldn't confuse union leadership commentary and friendship. There's no reason you can't denounce somebody's leadership ability and yet still respect them as a friend and fellow pilot.

DALPA leaders totally misread or ignored the pilot group and allowed unelected members drive the direction of the group. That is unacceptable and those that did that need to be held accountable. If the letter said what I'm guessing it said, you were 100% justified in sending it.
 
BobDDuck said:
@Derg you shouldn't confuse union leadership commentary and friendship. There's no reason you can't denounce somebody's leadership ability and yet still respect them as a friend and fellow pilot.

DALPA leaders totally misread or ignored the pilot group and allowed unelected members drive the direction of the group. That is unacceptable and those that did that need to be held accountable. If the letter said what I'm guessing it said, you were 100% justified in sending it.
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True but never easy. I did the same thing with one of my best friends that's a P2P volunteer. It wasn't so much about policy as much as saying you need to take a step back and evaluate what you are doing for your own good. I can agree to disagree and I don't base friendship on politics. I did it because I felt he was sacrificing his reputation to protect others who are never going to do the same for him. That's what friends do, be honest and look out for one another. But it was tough.

This round was especially nasty for whatever reason. It might get worse but we'll see. The MEC is handling everything after the vote about as well as they handled the TA itself. If they continue retract into the shadows it won't end well for anyone.
 
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just filled out my DPA card this morning. Not sure they are the solution at all..but at least I would hope enough cards filled out would keep ALPA in check.
 
Cav said:
I don't think they are a solution either but tell our MEC to quit being dumb, dumb, dumb. If they would focus on representing pilots rather than self preservation there would be no DPA. The success or failure of DPA is 100% in DALPA's hands.
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Agreed!
 
USAFplt said:
just filled out my DPA card this morning. Not sure they are the solution at all..but at least I would hope enough cards filled out would keep ALPA in check.
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Those guys are "interesting."

Cav said:
I don't think they are a solution either but tell our MEC to quit being dumb, dumb, dumb. If they would focus on representing pilots rather than self preservation there would be no DPA. The success or failure of DPA is 100% in DALPA's hands.
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General observation: the goal of every politician is to be re-elected.
 
Cav said:
Agree but in some cases, the DALPA folks in question weren't elected. Certainly not by the general constituency.
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They're doing what they believe is right and best for the pilot group. You would prefer that they do what is popular, which I would consider an irresponsible approach. It's a representative republic, not a direct democracy.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
They're doing what they believe is right and best for the pilot group.
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Maybe. I don't know enough to comment on the specific Delta situation, but in many cases where reps who are elected by a pilot group at large and yet have a "shadow" MEC or group of friends that they routinely consult with may not be doing what is right for the pilot group (who actually elected them) as a whole but rather what is right and best for a select group.
 
BobDDuck said:
Maybe. I don't know enough to comment on the specific Delta situation, but in many cases where reps who are elected by a pilot group at large and yet have a "shadow" MEC or group of friends that they routinely consult with may not be doing what is right for the pilot group (who actually elected them) as a whole but rather what is right and best for a select group.
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I have no reason to believe that that is the case here, nor is it common.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
They're doing what they believe is right and best for the pilot group. You would prefer that they do what is popular, which I would consider an irresponsible approach. It's a representative republic, not a direct democracy.
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We could go back and forth for eternity about the plusses and minuses of a representative democracy vs a direct democracy and never come to a conclusion. Personally I believe firmly in a representative democracy. Sometimes you have to "throw the bums out" which may or may not be happening now.

Our MEC can choose one of 2 options. Stand up in front of the people they represent, "take it" so to speak, make some meaningful change, and move forward. Or they can draw back into the shadows and proclaim "let them eat cake." The former might result in a few painful changes for some deserving individuals. The latter might result in a revolution. Take your pick.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I have no reason to believe that that is the case here, nor is it common.
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It is absolutely the case at DALPA. Rich Harwood, Roger White, Tim Parker, etc.... they are all in appointed positions and constantly cycle between positions. They truly believe that they are superior to the regular line swine and their constant insertion of themselves into the processes is what feeds their egos.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
It is absolutely the case at DALPA. Rich Harwood, Roger White, Tim Parker, etc.... they are all in appointed positions and constantly cycle between positions. They truly believe that they are superior to the regular line swine and their constant insertion of themselves into the processes is what feeds their egos.
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With the exception of "Great White," whom you'll never hear me say a good word about, the rest I believe are doing what they think is best for the members. Doesn't mean you have to agree, that a majority of the pilots agree, or even that they're right about what is best. But they aren't a malevolent force.
 
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