US Air jumpseat

Luigi

Luigi

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Just had a captain call his chief pilot who told him OA dispatchers can't ride flight deck Jumpseat. In this a new thing?
 
Were you trying to get into the cockpit on a full flight? If not then that could be why they said no. Otherwise both are misinformed since OA dispatchers can ride in the jumpseat on US Airways on full flights.
 
Flagship_dxer said:
Were you trying to get into the cockpit on a full flight? If not then that could be why they said no. Otherwise both are misinformed since OA dispatchers can ride in the jumpseat on US Airways on full flights.
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It was a full flight. He called the chief pilot and the chief said "OA dispatchers can't ride FDJ"
 
Flagship_dxer said:
The chief was wrong. Neither one checked the FOM.
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Yeah. I kind of showed up last minute. Luckily even though it was a full flight one seat opened last minute, and even though they couldn't verify I could FDJ they were nice enough to let me have a cabin seat. The captain actually called me up last minute to let me know he found where it is in the FOM. All worked out.
 
There are a fair number of pilots who assume that offline dispatchers can't ride jumpseat..."just because" or whatever. Being in CASS helps greatly. I actually used to have the paragraph number that said offline dispatchers can jumpseat in the Southwest FOM memorized since I jumpseated on them a lot, pre-CASS.
 
Dispatchers of CASS approved airlines are allowed in the FDJ, but only when there is no seat available in the cabin. If you're not CASS, you're not going.

The new FM can be sort of cumbersome when trying to find information, but it took me less than 30 seconds to find the information regarding this particular issue :bang:

Sorry you got bad information.
 
ctab5060X said:
Dispatchers of CASS approved airlines are allowed in the FDJ, but only when there is no seat available in the cabin. If you're not CASS, you're not going.

The new FM can be sort of cumbersome when trying to find information, but it took me less than 30 seconds to find the information regarding this particular issue :bang:

Sorry you got bad information.
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Yeah I'm not complaining, because the end result was the same either way, I got a seat in the back (now stuck in CLT for the night but that's no ones fault). I was just curious initially when I wrote this if it had changed and I was no longer allowed in the FDJ just the cabin.
 
I don't know if there is a new FOM. But as of Spring 2014 there is a chart that is next to the hierarchy chart that lists all the airlines that have agreements. Then there is a note that says " * denotes Dispatchers included in agreement". The only carriers on this list to have a * are Majors (e.g UA, DL, AA, F9, B6, NK) and all the US Airways Express carriers. Not sure who you work for. But if you don't work for any of those, your carrier likely does not have an agreement. I rode on them commuting for 3 months with no issues. Then a coworker got told it by a crew in PHX. So I looked into it and sure enough it's spelled out. A few years after that I tried to chance it (cause this was a nonstop) hoping the crew wouldn't look at the page like they didn't do years before. They looked and told the agent ahead of time to not even bother letting me down, so I got left behind and it set my back 6 hours of travel time.
 
PHL_Approach said:
I don't know if there is a new FOM. But as of Spring 2014 there is a chart that is next to the hierarchy chart that lists all the airlines that have agreements. Then there is a note that says " * denotes Dispatchers included in agreement". The only carriers on this list to have a * are Majors (e.g UA, DL, AA, F9, B6, NK) and all the US Airways Express carriers. Not sure who you work for. But if you don't work for any of those, your carrier likely does not have an agreement. I rode on them commuting for 3 months with no issues. Then a coworker got told it by a crew in PHX. So I looked into it and sure enough it's spelled out. A few years after that I tried to chance it (cause this was a nonstop) hoping the crew wouldn't look at the page like they didn't do years before. They looked and told the agent ahead of time to not even bother letting me down, so I got left behind and it set my back 6 hours of travel time.
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@PHL_Approach hit the nail on the head, I think. Being in CASS is one thing but if you don't have a reciprocal or any other type of agreement with a certain carrier, then it's captain's decision. I'm in CASS but it is particularly difficult to ride US these days now that they're merging. I heard somewhere that there may be an embargo for commuters sometime in October. This has to do with them switching over to the new system. Can anyone confirm?
 
PHL_Approach said:
I don't know if there is a new FOM. But as of Spring 2014 there is a chart that is next to the hierarchy chart that lists all the airlines that have agreements. Then there is a note that says " * denotes Dispatchers included in agreement". The only carriers on this list to have a * are Majors (e.g UA, DL, AA, F9, B6, NK) and all the US Airways Express carriers. Not sure who you work for. But if you don't work for any of those, your carrier likely does not have an agreement. I rode on them commuting for 3 months with no issues. Then a coworker got told it by a crew in PHX. So I looked into it and sure enough it's spelled out. A few years after that I tried to chance it (cause this was a nonstop) hoping the crew wouldn't look at the page like they didn't do years before. They looked and told the agent ahead of time to not even bother letting me down, so I got left behind and it set my back 6 hours of travel time.
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Yes, there is a new FM. When I looked last night, I did not see the reciprocal list published in the location where the priority for the jumpseat is listed. Since OA dispatchers are not specifically covered under either a LAA or LUS policy, I would assume the current AA reciprocal list would be the go to document. That document says that CASS approval with reciprocal agreement extends to both pilots and dispatchers for those carriers. I will have to ask around and see if that list is 100% correct for LUS jump seats as well.

JetCrew said:
@PHL_Approach hit the nail on the head, I think. Being in CASS is one thing but if you don't have a reciprocal or any other type of agreement with a certain carrier, then it's captain's decision. I'm in CASS but it is particularly difficult to ride US these days now that they're merging. I heard somewhere that there may be an embargo for commuters sometime in October. This has to do with them switching over to the new system. Can anyone confirm?
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I would imagine there would be a travel embargo when we go to a single reservation system in mid October. I'll try and post something if it does happen.
 
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