Delta TA

ATN_Pilot said:
And yet, their rhetoric spread like wildfire and was instrumental in defeating the TA, along with the Facebook groups. Whether you consider that good or bad, it is true. Social media is changing how unions have to deal with TAs. It's much different today even when compared to just a few years ago.
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I disagree. Everyone has said time and time again that the APC crowd is the 'vocal minority'....clearly this TA was not in line with what the pilot's surveys said. 65% no vote is a pretty resounding vote for a group that has never rejected a TA before...that shows that the current leadership is clearly out of touch with the pilot group.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
And yet, their rhetoric spread like wildfire and was instrumental in defeating the TA, along with the Facebook groups. Whether you consider that good or bad, it is true. Social media is changing how unions have to deal with TAs. It's much different today even when compared to just a few years ago.



Which is irrelevant, since a TA is virtually always the first proposal that the rank and file see.



If what the pilot group "wants" is not compatible with what is achievable, then they're in for a rude awakening.

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong and this works out well for them. I just seriously doubt it. I predict 3+ years to another TA.
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The social media behavior of the union is part of what I'm talking about. Furthermore, I think you and DALPA grossly overestimate the number of pilots that were influenced by APC and FB message groups. It was just a bad agreement plain and simple. I'm perfectly fine with the current contract. The proposed pay rates couldn't overcome the pretty significant changes to QOL. It's pretty simple really.

Sometimes it seems that many in positions of power in the union feel that any TA is better than no TA at all. DALPA better get busy talking to the pilots they represent. DALPA went into the prevent defense. Protecting DALPA overshadowed representing Delta pilots and it was crystal clear to the pilots.
 
Seggy said:
That is a failure of the union to not adjust to those social media changes. It is there...adjust.

For crying out loud, they were 'robo dialing folks'. Seriously?
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No disagreement there. I had some conversations telling some people that they needed to watch the social media, because it was taking over the narrative. Adjustments need to be made.
 
Ajax said:
Is it? I figured an MEC should know their group better than to have to push a TA through. Shouldn't the TA sell itself
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Nothing ever "sells itself." Not in collective bargaining. Remember, Delta's 2001 contract only passed with something around 60-70%, and that's easily the best pilot contract in history, for pay, work rules, and benefits.
 
We all make mistakes in life. None of us are perfect as we're human.

The first time you say "I was wrong" publicly about some incorrect proclamation you make in public, you will feel very liberated.

That is a far better path to respect than doubling down and sounding more like an ass.
 
Polar742 said:
We all make mistakes in life. None of us are perfect as we're human.

The first time you say "I was wrong" publicly about some incorrect proclamation you make in public, you will feel very liberated.

That is a far better path to respect than doubling down and sounding more like an ass.
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If you're talking to me, I already said I was wrong about the vote outcome. It happens rarely, but it does happen. :)
 
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