AA/US-AW. Now the fun begins.

To try and get things back on track...

Thoughts on the company not wanting a committee to represent the East pilots?
 
Seggy said:
Why is that?
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So I can crap talk you and @ATN_Pilot

I'm not sure I buy the "smarter you and I" and by that I mean me. Are these the same arbitrators sitting at the NMB that allow negotiations to go on for 8 years?

Ok, this is a serious question: has there been an arbitrator that worked 2 different mergers?
Also, for the sake of context, why is every merger/integration of these highly intelligent people have vastly different outcomes?
 
Nark said:
So I can crap talk you and @ATN_Pilot
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Ok...I will take the real answer now.

I'm not sure I buy the "smarter you and I" and by that I mean me. Are these the same arbitrators sitting at the NMB that allow negotiations to go on for 8 years?

Ok, this is a serious question: has there been an arbitrator that worked 2 different mergers?
Also, for the sake of context, why is every merger/integration of these highly intelligent people have vastly different outcomes?
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If you are asking the above questions seriously, then you should be listening and not talking about your opinion.
 
ctab5060X said:
To try and get things back on track...

Thoughts on the company not wanting a committee to represent the East pilots?
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The company is over the LUS crap and want it done and over with. Can you blame them?

They are tired of dealing with USAPA. The story I heard was prior to the merger they just stopped dealing with them.

Those guys are gonna get screwed. It's inevitable. The band aid however just needs to get ripped off.
 
Nark said:
Are these the same arbitrators sitting at the NMB that allow negotiations to go on for 8 years?
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No. There are several things wrong with this question, actually. First, there is a difference between an arbitrator and a mediator. You really should know that if you intend to take part in a conversation such as this one. Otherwise you should sit down, shut up, and learn. Second, the NMB is composed of neither mediators nor arbitrators. Mediators work for the NMB, but do not sit on the NMB and make the decisions. Decisions are made by political appointees who usually have had no mediating or arbitrating experiences at all. The NMB employs no arbitrators at all, and is not allowed to arbitrate disputes. The NMB only keeps a list of approved arbitrators who engage in private practice.

Ok, this is a serious question: has there been an arbitrator that worked 2 different mergers?
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Yes, most seniority arbitrations involve arbitrators who have extensive prior experience in handling SLI matters.

Also, for the sake of context, why is every merger/integration of these highly intelligent people have vastly different outcomes?
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Again, your ignorance shines through like a spotlight. Stop talking. To the contrary, these SLI arbitrations involve almost identical outcomes. Category and status with the occasional fence has been the standard going back many years now. You see Merger Committees frequently argue for something different, but arbitrators don't do it. They know fair and equitable, even though you don't.
 
ctab5060X said:
To try and get things back on track...

Thoughts on the company not wanting a committee to represent the East pilots?
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Everybody keeps saying this. Did the company put out a memo? I haven't seen anything where the company has taken a stance.
 
L-16B said:
Everybody keeps saying this. Did the company put out a memo? I haven't seen anything where the company has taken a stance.
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From the latest domicile update:

"... the Company believes that the Panel should exercise its jurisdiction to decide the three questions that were presented, and in doing so, should order that the hearing move forward based on the schedule and with the merger committees agreed upon in the Protocol (with the limited time extension discussed by the Panel yesterday), and that the APA should not establish a new merger committee to represent East pilots. The Protocol Agreement is a signed settlement agreement between the parties that should not be upended by the unilateral actions of one party based on its decision not to attend the hearings in this case."
 
wheelsup said:
The company is over the LUS crap and want it done and over with. Can you blame them?

They are tired of dealing with USAPA. The story I heard was prior to the merger they just stopped dealing with them.

Those guys are gonna get screwed. It's inevitable. The band aid however just needs to get ripped off.
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Can't blame them one bit.

I just hope that when all is said and done, the America West/USAir merger doesn't seem tame by comparison.
 
Kingairer said:
The real question is not whether or not they have a seat, but if they have to support nic.
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I would think that if they have a committee that is not associated with USAPA, they would be not be legally bound to support the Nic.

But that is pure speculation. Eager to hear the final word from the arbitrators on the issue.
 
How long do you think the C-Suite laughs at the morning meeting everytime "integration" or "pilot merger" is brought up?
 
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