Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 candidates. No offense but that sounds elitist.
AA/US-AW. Now the fun begins.
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AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
Airways hired a guy that age in 2013. I don't think a job at AA when you're young is winning at life anyway. I'm gonna put away the dough and bail as soon as I can.
Lunchbox
Well-Known Member
Wow. I wonder if AA guys will rock 'hired not aquired' stickers on their flight case, err, iPad like some DAL guys did after northwest...
Ungh. Children.
I did have a flight kit sticker made by a NWA pilot that said, "Delta, now with 42% less Bubba" which meant that now, 42% of us weren't uhhh, Bubba's.
But I was "raised" by a bunch of old Western 727 pilots so I'm kind of an outlier anyway.
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
I believe AA was acquired.
skyw82
Well-Known Member
the west list had date of births on there. With that info you can now tell what number you will retire at. I was very surprised at where I will be.
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
Lunchbox
Well-Known Member
Yes we all know AMR was in bankruptcy but my comment is related to AA's use of superior and how they beleive they are the ones aquiring.
PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
Let's use my company as an example. Our most senior pilots have been here 15 years because we have only been in existence that long. If we were merged DOH with damn near anyone else, nearly everyone at my company would be integrated below most every other pilot at the other carrier. So our most senior captain would be junior to a ton of guys at US Air. They haven't really hired, other than the last few years, since like the 1990s. So a guy who is number 1 at my company would go to a place below most of the pilots in the new company. He won't be able to hold captain, weekends off, holidays off, etc., and that has nothing to do with a choice he made. Due to no fault of his own, he would be screwed. That's the definition of unfair.
So normally mergers do a blended integration with a combination of DOH and percentage calculations these days. Good luck to all involved in that hot mess!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I'm 'scheduled' to retire #3 at my airline. Assuming we don't go poof or merge. But even in a merger, I'd probably still do okay.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Retirement isn't everything. I was scheduled to retire #2 at Southwest. But it would have been 27 years from my date of hire until upgrade. Depending on the weight of ages throughout the seniority list ahead of you, you could retire at a great number, but spend very little of your career near that number. That's why it's so important to have a fair process in place to look at all factors when determining integration.
Matt13C
Well-Known Member
Sort of off topic, but how much say does the airline management have in the final set up of the merged lists? Do they stay out of it for the most part or do they try and work angles to try and save money? I was always curious, given the progressive pay scale, if they try and push earlier higher dates further down the list, if possible, so they can save some money on salaries by keeping these guys off the bigger, higher paying metal or out of the left seat for longer.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Typically they have no say. If it's an ALPA-ALPA merger, ALPA Merger Policy doesn't provide for any management involvement. Southwest management insisted on involvement in ours, though. I can't remember if Doogie "DUI" Parker managed to get involvement in the current case.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Fair point.
But both Southwest and Airtran were fairly young at the time. That was the one combination that was the "worst" for age-related reasons and movement/upgrades.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
Quick glance, But I don't think I break into the top 100. Oh well, my retirement flight will be from home with a joystick at my computer.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
How old were you when hired?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
If I recall, the only stipulation that he asked for with the AAA/AW list merger was that there weren't unnecessary training costs involve. I haven't seen anything from the Sand Castle this time around, but I'd guess that's because they discovered that shutting up and letting the pilots all beat the crap out of each other during a list integration is way more beneficial for the shareholders.
Sad but sounds right enough to be true.