Ameriflight and RACCA on the pilot shortage

American is hiring very few off the street, probably will continue that way through 2016-2017 at the least. Flows and military are taking up a huge majority of the spots.

I applied to AA the second day their app window opened in Oct 2013, and still haven't heard a peep. Many, many guys are in the same position. Yet, if you watch the threads you'll find the ex-mil fixed wing guys are applying and several months later are(were) getting calls. You guys have no idea how highly they think of themselves there. Remember there was a check box for astronaut time on their application...

I'm not sure what the hate for SWA is. They are a huge company and are still kicking pretty much everyone's ass. As crazy as it sounds I would rather be there career wise than AA or UA.
 
wheelsup said:
I'm not sure what the hate for SWA is. They are a huge company and are still kicking pretty much everyone's ass. As crazy as it sounds I would rather be there career wise than AA or UA.
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You're nuts. Twenty years to the left seat at SWA, and that's optimistic.
 
Hate for SWA is likely from the ALPA boys. Pay no attention. SWA's model will assure their survival. It's not the pilot job for everyone, and I'd rather not work that hard, but I feel like SWA will be around for the duration.
 
mshunter said:
I just sat jumpseat with a guy who was doing IOE, and had been with them for 11 IIRC.
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You understand that you won't have the same career progression as a newhire compared to a guy hired 11 years ago, right? The seniority calculator shows over 20 years for a newhire to make captain.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You understand that you won't have the same career progression as a newhire compared to a guy hired 11 years ago, right? The seniority calculator shows over 20 years for a newhire to make captain.
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You're right. I'll just stay here for the next 20 at a regional.

FO @ (insert non-regional airline) > anything regional, with a few exceptions.

Edit to add: It's more than just what seat your in.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Kind of an irrelevant thing to say, since Southwest won't hire anyone without 1,000 TPIC anyway.

Definitely get out of the regionals. SWA isn't your way out, though.
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I dunno. Every time I sit on a SWA jump seat, they seem happy. I know I'd like it better than where I'm at. And I'm pretty sure your view of them is.....jaded.
 
mshunter said:
I dunno. Every time I sit on a SWA jump seat, they seem happy. I know I'd like it better than where I'm at. And I'm pretty sure your view of them is.....jaded.
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Suit yourself. Just don't bitch when you're still in the right seat after 20 years and making 25% less than the guys at the legacies.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Suit yourself. Just don't bitch when you're still in the right seat after 20 years and making 25% less than the guys at the legacies.
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I don't bitch much about pay and what seat I'm in. I just don't like coming to work and hearing nothing but guys poopooing where they work. We spend the majority of our adult lives working, so you had better enjoy your work.
 
Ameriflight to SWA career progression and no one has said the word "Zombies!" yet.

Oh crap. Wait. NVM.
 
Maurus said:
SkyWest obviously isn't blacklisted but unless they vote in ALPA they will be at a disadvantage for a legacy slot. From what I understand United and Delta have a requirement for a high percentage of new hires to be ALPA members. Factor in that they also hire approximately 50% military and you find that there is very little opportunity for a Skywest guy to get in at United or Delta when compared to the ALPA regionals.
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This is complete nonsense. In my NH class of 65, almost 50% of the class was former 121 (mostly regional, 1 B6, and 2 Atlas). Almost 50% of the regional guys and girls were SkyWest.
 
mastermags said:
This is complete nonsense. In my NH class of 65, almost 50% of the class was former 121 (mostly regional, 1 B6, and 2 Atlas). Almost 50% of the regional guys and girls were SkyWest.
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He still drinks the Kool-Aid from AMF, and is buying wolf tickets from ASA lol...
 
Maurus said:
SkyWest obviously isn't blacklisted but unless they vote in ALPA they will be at a disadvantage for a legacy slot. From what I understand United and Delta have a requirement for a high percentage of new hires to be ALPA members. Factor in that they also hire approximately 50% military and you find that there is very little opportunity for a Skywest guy to get in at United or Delta when compared to the ALPA regionals.
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That's not necessarily correct.

I think you're mixing up for SouthernJets to hire ASA pilots after hiring resumed in the mid-2000's above Skywest or almost anyone else. In general that was a temporary "thanks for taking care of our furloughees during the dark days".
 
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