Russian photo copier

BravoHotel

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I am a WWII history enthusiast. I recently started studying the Russians, specifically the TU-4, almost exact photo copy of the B-29. There are other things I know the Russian's copied through out history but like the AIM-9 and our first nuclear weapons. Their intel services were/are effective, too darn effective.

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Not all of these Russian items were actually "copies". However, they did keep us on our toes for YEARS!!

And still do to some point....
 
What's funny (to me anyway) is that there's at least 1 surviving airframe at museum in Russia proudly on display. The Tu-144 could be argued to be an original design. Their space shuttle... Eh... Well it wasn't EXACTLY like ours.

But this. This was a blatant facsimile.
 
We did our fair share of copying from the Russkies, it just isn't discussed in polite circles. Now, with that said, I think the balance weighs much more heavily toward "Them" copying from "Us", certainly. But in the modern world, that might just mean they were more, eh, what, "agile" in the "marketplace of ideas".

By any rational measure, the Mig-15 beat the pants off the F-86. And the B-1, whilst brilliant in a lot of abstruse ways, is functionally inferior to the Tu-22M. Sort of like how the Space Shuttle was incredibly impressive on paper, but Soyuz is still bringing up the Tang to the ISS.

Russians, for all of their many faults, are invariably practical people.
 
We did our fair share of copying from the Russkies, it just isn't discussed in polite circles. Now, with that said, I think the balance weighs much more heavily toward "Them" copying from "Us", certainly. But in the modern world, that might just mean they were more, eh, what, "agile" in the "marketplace of ideas".

By any rational measure, the Mig-15 beat the pants off the F-86. And the B-1, whilst brilliant in a lot of abstruse ways, is functionally inferior to the Tu-22M. Sort of like how the Space Shuttle was incredibly impressive on paper, but Soyuz is still bringing up the Tang to the ISS.

Russians, for all of their many faults, are invariably practical people.

How does that old tale go, the U.S. spent tons of money in R&D for a pen that would write in zero G and the Russians used a pencil?
 
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Abstruse
Adjective:
1. hard to understand; recondite; esoteric:
abstruse theories.

Learned a new word today. Cool!

If "abstruse" means "hard to understand," the italicized example should have also included "women."
 
Russians, for all of their many faults, are invariably practical people.

Yes, they are. Sometimes a lot more practical then 'Mericans. I used to work with a world class canopy pilot. That guy, some times a bit out of control, did a damn good job with parachutes.
 
The Russians didn't copy our first nuclear weapons in a true espionage sense; we taught them how to build nukes.
 
The Chinese are hacking us and stealing our designs. Look at their new stuff, also a copy of our equipment. Smart, no $$ outlay for R&D required!
 
Too bad the B-29ski weighed a ton more because of their standard to metric conversion!

Wiktor Suvorov mentioned that in The Liberators, along with other duplication problems :

A little hole was found on the left wing of the aircraft. No aero-
dynamics or durability expert had the slightest idea what the hell it was
for. There was no tube or wire attached to it and there was no equivalent
hole in the right wing. The opinion of a commission of experts was that
the little hole had been bored by a factory drill at the same time as the
other holes for the rivets. So, what to do? Most probably, the hole had
been drilled by mistake, and later no one had bothered to fill it in as it
was much too small. The chief designer was asked his opinion.
'Do the Americans have it?'
'Yes.'
'So why the hell are you asking me? Weren't we ordered to make them
absolutely identical! Alike as two peas?'
So, for that reason, a very small hole indeed, made with the thinnest
possible drill, appeared on the left wing of all the TU-4 strategic
bombers.
" ....
"Here's a narrow pipe, through which one can crawl on all fours the
whole length of the aircraft, and it has been painted light green (some
design bureau or other struggled for a very long time in an attempt to
copy it exactly) but, at its very end, several metres have been painted
white. Maybe some soldier simply did not have enough paint. But the
order was to copy it exactly, which is why all the Soviet bombers are the
same colour as the American one. It was calculated exactly how much
green paint there was and how much white paint. Later, this ratio was
included in all instruction books on how to paint the interior of the
bomber....."

"
.....Meanwhile, another two B-29s made forced landings on Soviet
territory. It was discovered that there was no hole in their wings, while
the paint on one of them was light green and that on the other white. The
chief designer was again asked what to do. But, once again, Tupolev had
no problem. He had been ordered to copy the bomber which had landed
first, and there were no orders concerning the others. So just go on
copying!"
 
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