Ameriflight and RACCA on the pilot shortage

I don't remember a single time when I worked at AMF when somebody's name was actually dropped in reference to leaving AMF for the majors. It was always some obcsure wives tale, even from management. "2 guys left for American last month." Oh really? That's cool, were they AA furloughs that got recalled? Lol....

On the SS's FB debacle post, he even said that somebody just went to United, yet he wouldn't answer my question on what his prior qualifications were. It does me no good to tell me that guys are going to the majors, and to hide the fact that they were prior military, prior 121 etc. It is just misleading...
 
Inverted said:
I don't remember a single time when I worked at AMF when somebody's name was actually dropped in reference to leaving AMF for the majors. It was always some obcsure wives tale, even from management. "2 guys left for American last month." Oh really? That's cool, were they AA furloughs that got recalled? Lol....

On the SS's FB debacle post, he even said that somebody just went to United, yet he wouldn't answer my question on what his prior qualifications were. It does me no good to tell me that guys are going to the majors, and to hide the fact that they were prior military, prior 121 etc. It is just misleading...
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Sure it may happen, but I asked what the ratio was of guys going were. 1000:1? 10,000:1?
 
scooter2525 said:
Sure it may happen, but I asked what the ratio was of guys going were. 1000:1? 10,000:1?
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Frontier, Allegiant, Jetblue, even Spirit are completely realistic right now if you put in some hard work I think. The top 3 and SWA, I just don't see going from a CFI to AMF, then to one of those companies without some serious prior connections, like daddy better be the CEO...
 
Inverted said:
Frontier, Allegiant, Jetblue, even Spirit are completely realistic right now if you put in some hard work I think. The top 3 and SWA, I just don't see going from a CFI to AMF, then to one of those companies without some serious prior connections, like daddy better be the CEO...
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AMF is a good place to make that jump from CFI, but stretching the truth needs to stop. Those places are possible and I know people who have, but usually with some work put in.
 
scooter2525 said:
Sure it may happen, but I asked what the ratio was of guys going were. 1000:1? 10,000:1?
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Given how long it takes to build time on most of our runs and the lack of easy networking opportunities, I actually wouldn't be all that shocked if it was that crappy of a ratio, even if the legacies LOVED Ameriflight. Even our runs down here only equate to 500 hours a year when it's staffed properly. That's a long time to get to a competitive amount of flight time. I wouldn't be surprised if most on the first page of the seniority list have only 3000 hours. It's probably not that way, but I wouldn't be surprised

The only "mainline" places I KNOW have hired AMF guys is Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier, and Jetblue. I'm definitely not buying that someone went to United from AMF as their only experience. WAY to many high time captains and special FOs out there still.
 
Inverted said:
Frontier, Allegiant, Jetblue, even Spirit are completely realistic right now if you put in some hard work I think. The top 3 and SWA, I just don't see going from a CFI to AMF, then to one of those companies without some serious prior connections, like daddy better be the CEO...
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Realistically, AMF churns out some mighty fine corporate pilots. It is the best expectation after AMF. Sure, there are some that have gone to the majors in the past, but that shipped sailed shortly after 9/11. Jet Blue and Spirit isn't too much of a stretch like Omni was a few years ago. It was Capital, ABX, and Astar before then.
 
KLB said:
Realistically, AMF churns out some mighty fine corporate pilots. It is the best expectation after AMF. Sure, there are some that have gone to the majors in the past, but that shipped sailed shortly after 9/11. Jet Blue and Spirit isn't too much of a stretch like Omni was a few years ago. It was Capital, ABX, and Astar before then.
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What makes me mad, is that there is NOTHING wrong with a fantastic corporate career. Why AMF takes the angle that SWA will love you in 2 years is beyond me. Treat AMF for what it is, a place to go to get turbine time after being a flight instructor. Then after AMF you can go fly private jets without issue, and maybe even a national carrier (of course regionals). There are always exceptions but if they marketed it more realistically, they would be more successful.
 
Inverted said:
What makes me mad, is that there is NOTHING wrong with a fantastic corporate career. Why AMF takes the angle that SWA will love you in 2 years is beyond me. Treat AMF for what it is, a place to go to get turbine time after being a flight instructor. Then after AMF you can go fly private jets without issue, and maybe even a national carrier (of course regionals). There are always exceptions but if they marketed it more realistically, they would be more successful.
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That's pretty much marketed AMF when I did interviews. Get the turbine PIC time and create options for yourself. Now I do no someone personally who got their TPIC, go to a regional for a year or two, then get hired at a Major without having to get any 121 PIC time.
 
KLB said:
That's pretty much marketed AMF when I did interviews. Get the turbine PIC time and create options for yourself. Now I do no someone personally who got their TPIC, go to a regional for a year or two, then get hired at a Major without having to get any 121 PIC time.
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They also had a resume that'd make bob Hoover blush.
 
Yep, there's always an extinjating circumstance that goes along with it. Sadly, that's the part that is rarely mentioned.

I wrote my capstone paper on this very subject. Hours in a resume matter, but they only go so far. Building relationships with those who are employed by the company you want to work at, going to job fairs, organizing meet and greets, getting letters of recommendation, specialized interview prep, and putting in the legwork to get noticed above the others, is a painstaking process.

If more companies focused on mentoring, networking, and building these types of relationships, I think that would be more valuable than just throwing out the 1,000 TPIC number and telling new hires that southwest will hire them. That is the smallest percentage in even getting noticed...
 
UAL747400 said:
Given how long it takes to build time on most of our runs and the lack of easy networking opportunities, I actually wouldn't be all that shocked if it was that crappy of a ratio, even if the legacies LOVED Ameriflight. Even our runs down here only equate to 500 hours a year when it's staffed properly. That's a long time to get to a competitive amount of flight time. I wouldn't be surprised if most on the first page of the seniority list have only 3000 hours. It's probably not that way, but I wouldn't be surprised

The only "mainline" places I KNOW have hired AMF guys is Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier, and Jetblue. I'm definitely not buying that someone went to United from AMF as their only experience. WAY to many high time captains and special FOs out there still.
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I made it to the 2nd page before I left, came in with 1800, left with 5400, right about a 500/year average.
 
Polymox said:
I made it to the 2nd page before I left, came in with 1800, left with 5400, right about a 500/year average.
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You'd get to the second page within 3 months at this point I bet! :)

I came here 2 years ago with 2700ish. Just crossed 5000 a couple weeks ago. LBB was higher time and a year and a half down here should have been 500 a year, but averaged out to 950. With what we had for 7 months, it is closer to 500 though, but yeah, that came to be and died quickly.
 
Soku39 said:
I just can't bring myself to care. The entire industry has made the prospects becoming a pilot so bad for so long, to the point that an entire generation hasn't bothered to learn how to fly, and those that already can are doing other things. They dug this hole, they can dig themselves out, or go bankrupt because there's no bodies for the seats, either way I don't care.
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Anyone say this is the best reply to this thread yet? Thread should have ended after your reply..
 
Missed service will likely be the end be all of the "waking people up" to reality. I've already seen it happen with amf and money going down the drain by missing flights should always be worse than paying more salary...I hope
 
Sol Rosenburg said:
Missed service will likely be the end be all of the "waking people up" to reality. I've already seen it happen with amf and money going down the drain by missing flights should always be worse than paying more salary...I hope
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We're still OK staffing wise

This came from AMF so take what I say with a grain of salt, but the big take away for them at the last RAACA conference was that Ameriflight is the only feeeder carrier that has had a plane and a crew available for all of its runs, charter coverage included. A sick call or busted plane still causes issues, but there are companies out there that are missing service because they aren't staffed at all for a flight and/or don't charter.

Most of the bases still have a 100% completion rate every month and the main cause to the very few delays have been maintenance issues, only two delays and one cancellation for sick calls so far this year. It could swing the other way for staffing, but I doubt it will. I'm not getting nervous at all at the moment
 
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UAL747400 said:
We're still OK staffing wise

This came from AMF so take what I say with a grain of salt, but the big take away for them at the last RAACA conference was that Ameriflight is the only feeeder carrier that has had a plane and a crew available for all of its runs, charter coverage included. A sick call or busted plane still causes issues, but there are companies out there that are missing service because they aren't staffed at all for a flight and/or don't charter.

Most of the bases still have a 100% completion rate every month and the main cause to the very few delays have been maintenance issues, only two delays and one cancellation for sick calls so far this year. It could swing the other way for staffing, but I doubt it will. I'm not getting nervous at all at the moment
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they have a charted metro at dfw for lack of capacity and just gave up a charter for a total lack of pilots
 
Sol Rosenburg said:
they have a charted metro at dfw for lack of capacity and just gave up a charter for a total lack of pilots
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But, the run was still completed. I agree, throwing money away at charters cuts into profits.

Compared to other places, they are straight taking a service failure, supposedly.
 
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