JC Surfers?

Terrible.....there is so much there in the way of lovely beaches, wonderful ocean water quality, mollusks, fish, birds, crustaceans, perfect for snorkeling and diving, campgrounds, terrific surfing, swimming, and even the Junior Life Guards train there as well and they even have Summer camps for kids, trails and nature walks for hiking, fishing, kayaking.........been going there since the 60's. Ugh. I just cannot believe this. Was planning on going there again this Summer for several days. Telling Sue that we may have to get everyone together to go and help with the beach clean up instead at some point now. Damn it.
 
So, before I run out and drop $1000 on a new longboard, I'm going to mess with the fins first. I currently run a 2+1 setup (7" center fin with a good amount of rake along with side bites), and am finding that the fins are breaking loose in steeper sections. That's especially true for steeper takeoffs where I can't drop straight in, so I turn down the face in the drop. If it's too steep, the fins release.

So, I'm looking at adding a bigger center fin to give me a bit more hold in the face, or maybe even going to a big single fin instead. Any suggestions?

I am presuming that you have FCS. There might be an issue with the fins' position, and that would be an easy fix, requiring only an Allen wrench. Loosen the screws, re-secure/re-position the fins, and then tighten them up really well.

When I bought my longboard, the guy in the shop set my center skeg, so if the problem persists, I would run your board down to the nearest shop and ask them to take a look at the snugness of the fins (if indeed you have the same set-up as I).
 
Terrible.....there is so much there in the way of lovely beaches, wonderful ocean water quality, mollusks, fish, birds, crustaceans, perfect for snorkeling and diving, campgrounds, terrific surfing, swimming, and even the Junior Life Guards train there as well and they even have Summer camps for kids, trails and nature walks for hiking, fishing, kayaking.........been going there since the 60's. Ugh. I just cannot believe this. Was planning on going there again this Summer for several days. Telling Sue that we may have to get everyone together to go and help with the beach clean up instead at some point now. Damn it.

Oh no. The oil spill is bad enough, but the timing could not have been worse.
 
I am presuming that you have FCS. There might be an issue with the fins' position, and that would be an easy fix, requiring only an Allen wrench. Loosen the screws, re-secure/re-position the fins, and then tighten them up really well.

When I bought my longboard, the guy in the shop set my center skeg, so if the problem persists, I would run your board down to the nearest shop and ask them to take a look at the snugness of the fins (if indeed you have the same set-up as I).
Sorry, I mean the water releases off the fins. The fins are physically secure. :)

I just don't think they're holding in the face very well... I wonder if the center skeg isn't "deep" enough in the face to fully allow me to turn well in the drop. I also think when it gets choppy (and this board gets bounced around a bit), a deeper skeg would keep me from sliding out in a steeper drop while turning. Just an idea.
 
Sorry, I mean the water releases off the fins. The fins are physically secure. :)

I just don't think they're holding in the face very well... I wonder if the center skeg isn't "deep" enough in the face to fully allow me to turn well in the drop. I also think when it gets choppy (and this board gets bounced around a bit), a deeper skeg would keep me from sliding out in a steeper drop while turning. Just an idea.

You're absolutely right. Last time I was out I rode my buddy's long board with a smaller fin than mine has and it was noticeably less controllable than mine is with a larger skeg but I pay the price in maneuverability....if that's a thing on a long board.
 
You're absolutely right. Last time I was out I rode my buddy's long board with a smaller fin than mine has and it was noticeably less controllable than mine is with a larger skeg but I pay the price in maneuverability....if that's a thing on a long board.
Thanks man... I guess I want a board that's maneuverable, but also one that's stable enough to nose ride, too. Is that too much to ask?! ;)
 
In my humble opinion, a single fin works the best. The board feels looser, you have much better maneuverability especially for left-go right turns during take off and I think the nose riding is much easier. The single fin on a longboard is just a much smoother ride for me anyways. I think that long sweeping turns are much harder on multi fin boards really and can be a bit choppy. You'll have better control too with your turns using a larger single. You just feel more stable with a single and you have much better trimming ability. The wilder the water, the more you will notice all of this too. Take a look see at the Wingnut Long Rake fin. 10" and not much tip. Go big.

http://www.longboardhouse.com/Rainbow--Wingnut-Longrake-longboard-fin-8-9-10-_p_266.html

http://www.rainbowfins.com/longboardfins_3.html
 
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Oh no. The oil spill is bad enough, but the timing could not have been worse.
It's definitely crap. They had helicopters flying really low to chase/keep away the whales out of it.
They estimate over a hundred thousand gallons were leaked.Fish and Game have three boats with booms out, Coast Guard has 8 vessels skimming the waters and laying down more booms, two clean up companies from the bastards that caused the spill have arrived, and inspectors from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration and maybe 120 people on shore trying to tackle that mess. The slick at sea is some 9 miles long now.

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look at this .......horrible

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First oil soaked birds are showing now....heart breaking

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It's just sickening

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It's definitely crap. They had helicopters flying really low to chase/keep away the whales out of it.
They estimate over a hundred thousand gallons were leaked.Fish and Game have three boats with booms out, Coast Guard has 8 vessels skimming the waters and laying down more booms, two clean up companies from the bastards that caused the spill have arrived, and inspectors from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration and maybe 120 people on shore trying to tackle that mess. The slick at sea is some 9 miles long now.

OilSpillMay20_2.jpg



look at this .......horrible

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05192015_Refugio_Oil_Spill_18.jpg


First oil soaked birds are showing now....heart breaking

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It's just sickening

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Poor pelican

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Holy crap. That is heartbreaking. Do they let regular folk get involved in helping clean up? I'll gladly make the drive up if so.:(
 
It's definitely crap. They had helicopters flying really low to chase/keep away the whales out of it.
They estimate over a hundred thousand gallons were leaked.Fish and Game have three boats with booms out, Coast Guard has 8 vessels skimming the waters and laying down more booms, two clean up companies from the bastards that caused the spill have arrived, and inspectors from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration and maybe 120 people on shore trying to tackle that mess. The slick at sea is some 9 miles long now.

OilSpillMay20_2.jpg



look at this .......horrible

05192015_Refugio_Oil_Spill_35.jpg


05192015_Refugio_Oil_Spill_18.jpg


First oil soaked birds are showing now....heart breaking

fb5.jpg


It's just sickening

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635677527296796061-GTY-474123342.jpg


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Poor pelican

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Wow... That is awful. Pains me to see that. :(
 
Holy crap. That is heartbreaking. Do they let regular folk get involved in helping clean up? I'll gladly make the drive up if so.:(

Many residents came down to the beach to see if they could help and to try and rescue some birds and have been now turned away. They filled up a couple of hundred buckets that they had brought with oil contaminated sand, kelp, seaweed etc. They closed the beach to the public yesterday and they have more inspectors supposedly coming to further assess the damage and they are also still investigating how this pipe on land burst since the company that owns it claims it was just inspected recently. The crews you see in white have been hired by the pipe line owner. It's not nearly enough obviously. This clean up will easily take many months. They've also now closed El Capitan beach as well.

At some point I'd like to think that they will have to have volunteers from the general public down there working as well. I know that several wildlife groups have expressed their concern and are interested in working with Fish and Wildlife to come and rescue the birds and any mammals which will surely be affected. We belong to the Wetlands group down here and they are ready and willing to go there as well and I've already called a bunch of family and friends to join in when and if that is allowed. Fish and Wildlife's Office of Spill Prevention and Response will be the ones I to call out for volunteers at some point.

https://calspillwatch.dfg.ca.gov/

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/OSPR/Volunteer

The Santa Barbara Wildlife Care Network is taking in all the birds, mammals, etc. that can be caught and turned over to them to be cared for and cleaned up and also preparing them for travel to other Wildlife groups. The International Bird Rescue organization in San Pedro will also be taking in any birds affected and we may start going there to volunteer as soon as that happens.The Wetlands group down here that we belong to has Vets on staff and they may be receiving some of the birds too, so we can go and help them as well.

Talked to some friends up in SB last night and people are pissed off, really angry and beside themselves over this spill. The mayor has been on the line to the Governor demanding action.. There are supposed to be more crews from the entities that were hired by the owners of the pipeline arriving today. The slick at sea has moved towards SB now. The company that owns the pipeline apparently has a bad history of safety and maintenance violations - Plains Pipeline out of Texas somewheres. DOT, the State Fire Marshall, Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, the EPA and some other governmental agencies have also now been called in. Heads need to roll on this b.s.

Here is where the pipe burst:

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So far, we are making calls to groups to find out where and when we can go help and keeping a watch on the link pages above to see when volunteers will be allowed into the area. If birds are brought down here to our area this weekend, we are going over to San Pedro then. We already called them and got a list of supplies that we can purchase in large quantities to help them out. Going to Home Depot, Lowes and other places when and if birds arrive to get buckets, toothbrushes, rubber gloves, vinyl aprons, towels, rubber boots, spray bottles and every damn bottle of Dawn soap we can find. Going to find a grooming supply place and pick up some dryers from there too.
 
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Wow... That is awful. Pains me to see that. :(
It's heartbreaking, really. No estimates yet as to how long the oil spill will take to clean up because it's now much larger than the first estimates. When I see the first sea lions affected, that's just going to undo us emotionally. We've already had such a terrible time with sea lion pups having to be cared for this year already. Hundreds of them have been washing up on beaches up and down the coast for months now because of climate changes, the rising sea water temps and wind shifts/changes. It's affected their chain of food sources drastically.

The fear too is for the dolphin populations out here which some are certainly going to be feeding off oil contaminated fish and being affected directly by swimming in the oil infested waters. We start losing dolphins, that is really unspeakable and tragic. Further, Humpback whales migrate through this area and have been spotted now in the vicinity. I just hope the booms at sea keep the slick from spreading even further west and possibly endangering the Elephant seals and even more species of whales and dolphins. So angry over this.

If I were the damn Governor, I'd be capping that company's lines, fining them millions, and kicking them the hell outta here.
 
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Sorry, I mean the water releases off the fins. The fins are physically secure. :)

I just don't think they're holding in the face very well... I wonder if the center skeg isn't "deep" enough in the face to fully allow me to turn well in the drop. I also think when it gets choppy (and this board gets bounced around a bit), a deeper skeg would keep me from sliding out in a steeper drop while turning. Just an idea.

OK, that makes a lot more sense! :)

I just checked the position of the center skeg on my 9'0, and it is just slightly aft. A fin that is set forward will allow for greater turns and maneuverability while a fin that is positioned more rearward will be more stable and will be a bit harder to turn. A Philips Head should do the trick if you plan on adjusting it yourself.
 
It's definitely crap. They had helicopters flying really low to chase/keep away the whales out of it.
They estimate over a hundred thousand gallons were leaked.Fish and Game have three boats with booms out, Coast Guard has 8 vessels skimming the waters and laying down more booms, two clean up companies from the bastards that caused the spill have arrived, and inspectors from the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration and maybe 120 people on shore trying to tackle that mess. The slick at sea is some 9 miles long now.

OilSpillMay20_2.jpg



look at this .......horrible

05192015_Refugio_Oil_Spill_35.jpg


05192015_Refugio_Oil_Spill_18.jpg


First oil soaked birds are showing now....heart breaking

fb5.jpg


It's just sickening

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635677527296796061-GTY-474123342.jpg


5-20-15-refugio+oil+spill+fish.JPG


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Poor pelican

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Maybe it is time to renew my Surfrider membership. What a shame that this took place...
 
OK, that makes a lot more sense! :)

I just checked the position of the center skeg on my 9'0, and it is just slightly aft. A fin that is set forward will allow for greater turns and maneuverability while a fin that is positioned more rearward will be more stable and will be a bit harder to turn. A Philips Head should do the trick if you plan on adjusting it yourself.
It's not that I can't physically turn the board, it's that I slide out in the turn if it gets too steep. I've played with the skeg position a lot to dial it in (I have it set all the way forward for maneuverability), but I think it's less of an issue with the position of the skeg and more to do with the depth it sits in the face of the wave.

I think I'm gonna do the big single-fin thing for a while and see how I like it.
 
It's not that I can't physically turn the board, it's that I slide out in the turn if it gets too steep. I've played with the skeg position a lot to dial it in (I have it set all the way forward for maneuverability), but I think it's less of an issue with the position of the skeg and more to do with the depth it sits in the face of the wave.

I think I'm gonna do the big single-fin thing for a while and see how I like it.

You're getting to technical with it. What's the quote from Step Into Liquid? Something like "the best surfer is the one that's having the most fun".
 
You're getting to technical with it. What's the quote from Step Into Liquid? Something like "the best surfer is the one that's having the most fun".

Nah man, I'm just trying to get my board dialed in better for my home break. Then I'll have MORE fun. :)

Try it out a few times.........you'll like it.

Just came in from a fun little sunset session. The single fin is SO MUCH FUN! I almost regret not trying it before. Such a smooth style... Less drivey than the 2+1, but I didn't mind that at all. Like you mentioned, the board was much more stable in trim and really didn't need any pumping (but I did a little of that for fun, too ;)). Whatever I wanted to do just worked. Seamless and fun.

My backside was way less choppy, too. Caught a fun little right-hander and just went for a riiiiide. :)

Anyway, how's the beach cleanup coming?
 
Nah man, I'm just trying to get my board dialed in better for my home break. Then I'll have MORE fun. :)



Just came in from a fun little sunset session. The single fin is SO MUCH FUN! I almost regret not trying it before. Such a smooth style... Less drivey than the 2+1, but I didn't mind that at all. Like you mentioned, the board was much more stable in trim and really didn't need any pumping (but I did a little of that for fun, too ;)). Whatever I wanted to do just worked. Seamless and fun.

My backside was way less choppy, too. Caught a fun little right-hander and just went for a riiiiide. :)

Anyway, how's the beach cleanup coming?
Told ya!!! Many decades ago when I had decided to buy my first longboard, I took that advice from an old longboarder who was surfing back in the 40's and 50's and I never looked back. So glad you had fun. The experience will get even better or you as you discover just how marvelous a large/deep single is.

The clean up is a mess. While there is some cleanup going on at the two beaches, the concentration has been at sea and the recovery was hampered there by the winds that kicked up yesterday. It's an extremely slow process. 9 pelicans were rescued, covered with oil and a few sea lions. But some birds have died and dead, oil covered rays, fish, squids and jellyfish continue to wash up on the sand along with oil covered and dead crabs and lobsters. It will get far worse before it gets better, sadly.

I care for all the wildlife obviously, but my greatest fears are or the mammals, all the sea lions, dolphins, and whales and also the damage to the kelp beds and the algae. This is going to screw up the food chains, the breeding and migration routes for all the wildlife now and the long term damage won't even be known for some time to come. All the mussels, limpets, the soft corals, sand crabs, sea anemones, clams, all the birds (and we have just dozens of marine species of birds here) just everything, will be horribly effected. Several pelicans have died.

They have reclaimed maybe 10 percent of the oil at sea and the cleanup of the beaches will take I imagine, the rest of the year easily. The health risks now to humans is still so great that they will still not let citizens onto the beaches to help with the recovery efforts.

My friends in Santa Barbra went up to the area yesterday to check it out and from even the highway, they said the fumes from the crude oil were so strong, that it made them cough and their eyes and noses burn. When they got to the campgrounds which have all been closed at El Capitan and Refugio, they said it was even worse and one of them got a headache. Goleta now is in danger because of the fumes and how this may affect people and they declared another emergency because of this and are having the air monitored because so many people are complaining about symptoms and feeling ill.

The Feds ordered Plains Pipeline to shut down it's operation finally. The Attorney General has launched an investigation and is preparing to prosecute the bastards at some point.

We are going off to the stores today and buy the items we need and more that can be used over at the rehabilitation center in San Pedro and may be volunteering to clean birds tomorrow. We are going to bring over everything later today and see if they need us yet. They had received around a dozen birds so far when we called them yesterday.
 
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Told ya!!! Many decades ago when I had decided to buy my first longboard, I took that advice from an old longboarder who was surfing back in the 40's and 50's and I never looked back. So glad you had fun. The experience will get even better or you as you discover just how marvelous a large/deep single is.

The clean up is a mess. While there is some cleanup going on at the two beaches, the concentration has been at sea and the recovery was hampered there by the winds that kicked up yesterday. It's an extremely slow process. 9 pelicans were rescued, covered with oil and a few sea lions. But some birds have died and dead, oil covered rays, fish, squids and jellyfish continue to wash up on the sand along with oil covered and dead crabs and lobsters. It will get far worse before it gets better, sadly.

I care for all the wildlife obviously, but my greatest fears are or the mammals, all the sea lions, dolphins, and whales and also the damage to the kelp beds and the algae. This is going to screw up the food chains, the breeding and migration routes for all the wildlife now and the long term damage won't even be known for some time to come. All the mussels, limpets, the soft corals, sand crabs, sea anemones, clams, all the birds (and we have just dozens of marine species of birds here) just everything, will be horribly effected. Several pelicans have died.

They have reclaimed maybe 10 percent of the oil at sea and the cleanup of the beaches will take I imagine, the rest of the year easily. The health risks now to humans is still so great that they will still not let citizens onto the beaches to help with the recovery efforts.

My friends in Santa Barbra went up to the area yesterday to check it out and from even the highway, they said the fumes from the crude oil were so strong, that it made them cough and their eyes and noses burn. When they got to the campgrounds which have all been closed at El Capitan and Refugio, they said it was even worse and one of them got a headache. Goleta now is in danger because of the fumes and how this may affect people and they declared another emergency because of this and are having the air monitored because so many people are complaining about symptoms and feeling ill.

The Feds ordered Plains Pipeline to shut down it's operation finally. The Attorney General has launched an investigation and is preparing to prosecute the bastards at some point.

We are going off to the stores today and buy the items we need and more that can be used over at the rehabilitation center in San Pedro and may be volunteering to clean birds tomorrow. We are going to bring over everything later today and see if they need us yet. They had received around a dozen birds so far when we called them yesterday.
Thanks for the update... Terrible.
 
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