Imminent Strike at G4

ATN_Pilot said:
The only people who wish for a strike are the people who've never seen a real one up close.
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I actually agree with you 100% on this. I have been hoping that this situation gets diffused without a strike. There's still no guarantee of anything, but given the lack of availability of pilots and abundance of opportunities for pilots right now, plus the market's growth in the coming years, the company would be stupid for letting us walk without at least giving us some kind of offer or deal.

Of course, it will probably come at the eleventh hour.
 
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ATN_Pilot said:
The only people who wish for a strike are the people who've never seen a real one up close.
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I respect that, i havent seen one up close so let me rephrase

I'll say this, i hope G4 pilots get what they deserve. My comments about hoping they can strike is more along the understanding that mgmt wont budge.

I want what is best for these pilots, even if it takes a strike. If it can be resolved without a strike, great news all around
 
BobDDuck said:
It's one thing to hope that a situation gets solved to the benefit of labor, and to support that cause. It's another thing to wish that a party strikes. As Todd said, anybody who's been up close to one (in any industry, but especially one were seniority isn't portable), wouldn't wish that.
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Which is why I cringe at the guys here who are itching for a strike. They want to "stick it to management," and I feel that's completely the wrong attitude. Nothing good can come of that.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Which is why I cringe at the guys here who are itching for a strike. They want to "stick it to management," and I feel that's completely the wrong attitude. Nothing good can come of that.
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First contracts take time. If you've got guys (even if they are a super minority) already rabble rousing about a strike... man... It's going to be a long couple of years over there until you get a TA.
 
Keep in mind this most recent discussion is reference the company's status quo violations. We have a set of work rules that a federal judge ruled is a legally binding agreement (contract). Those work rules are being blatantly violated daily. Some items are considered minor violations. Our current battle is for those items that are major violations. The hearings scheduled to start tomorrow are for both sides to provide evidence to support their respective claims. The judge has already said if he finds the company has not resolved the major disputes that we will be allowed to strike but encouraged both sides to reach an agreement without a strike. We would all be much happier handling this without a strike. I don't think we will need to strike but I am not always right.

BobDDuck said:
First contracts take time. If you've got guys (even if they are a super minority) already rabble rousing about a strike... man... It's going to be a long couple of years over there until you get a TA.
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I have not spoke with anyone who WANTS to strike. We have been told to prepare financially and educate our families on the possibility. As previously mentioned, the company has not taken negotiations seriously in two years. This mentality of "first contracts take time" blows my mind. I agree they can take time but why? Why do we have this expectation that first contracts need to take 5+ years? I don't believe it is a requirement, in fact at my previous union company we ratified our first contract in just over two years. Time will tell.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Which is why I cringe at the guys here who are itching for a strike. They want to "stick it to management," and I feel that's completely the wrong attitude. Nothing good can come of that.
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No one is itching for a strike. We'd like to avoid one all together but the pilot group is willing to do what it takes to A) return our working conditions to the status quo and B) get a meaningful CBA.

BobDDuck said:
First contracts take time. If you've got guys (even if they are a super minority) already rabble rousing about a strike... man... It's going to be a long couple of years over there until you get a TA.
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Time... like 2.5 years to get 4 items TA'd? I haven't spoken to a single AAY pilot that wants to "stick it to the man" or any other variant of that quote. I hear "I'd like to go home more than 3 days a month," or "I wish my paycheck was correct for once," and my personal favorite "Why can't they adhere to the policies and timelines that they (the company) sets for themselves?"
For the last 6 months our SPC's mantra has been "We will if we have to." Not "We will because we can" or "We will because we want to"... I certainly don't want a strike but if that is the only language senior management will be awoken by I'll gladly draw a line in the sand.
 
@planejay and @Avalon781ML well said. To be honest, although the pilot group as a collective is willing to strike to enforce our PWA and return to the status quo a lot of people are skiddish and wound-up about it.

I've also yet to meet anyone that is truly excited to walk off the property. There are a couple of guys over on the other forum that at least say they're excited about it. But I haven't met them personally, and all the guys down in Florida are a bit nervous. I think a lot of people were hoping and expected the company would have caved and been more willing to negotiate by now, not just on the status quo issue, but on the contract negotiations as well.
 
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HVYMETALDRVR said:
@planejay and @Avalon781ML I think a lot of people were hoping and expected the company would have caved and been more willing to negotiate by now, not just on the status quo issue, but on the contract negotiations as well.
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Unfortunately having dealt with Maury (personally) there is no way he would cave, I often wonder if he would "burn the place down" rather than cave. Let us know if/when we can help!
 
Avalon781ML said:
Time... like 2.5 years to get 4 items TA'd? I haven't spoken to a single AAY pilot that wants to "stick it to the man" or any other variant of that quote. I hear "I'd like to go home more than 3 days a month," or "I wish my paycheck was correct for once," and my personal favorite "Why can't they adhere to the policies and timelines that they (the company) sets for themselves?"
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I believe he was speaking specifically about JetBlue.
 
Maurus said:
You guys were posting the updates and it just went quiet. Just curious where this is going.
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So to you, our silence, means that things aren't going well for us? Am I getting this right? Yet you remain curious as to where this is going and would like updates from one of us at AAY?
 
Avalon781ML said:
So to you, our silence, means that things aren't going well for us? Am I getting this right? Yet you remain curious as to where this is going and would like updates from one of us at AAY.
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People were very forward and then suddenly stop. Usually people go quiet when things don't work out or go quite as planned. It is a very common internet thing.
 
The judge has said if what our Union alleges is true, we are legal to strike. The hearing are now complete and we are awaiting a decision. I myself, have been out of the country this and next month so I haven't been on here much. Sorry for the silence, I'm sure someone will post once a decision is made.
 
Maurus said:
People were very forward and then suddenly stop. Usually people go quiet when things don't work out or go quite as planned. It is a very common internet thing.
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Hmmm.... maybe so... I guess time will tell. I won't be contributing to this thread any further regardless of which way a judge rules so look to @planejay or @HVYMETALDRVR for the information you seek.
 
Avalon781ML said:
Hmmm.... maybe so... I guess time will tell. I won't be contributing to this thread any further regardless of which way a judge rules so look to @planejay or @HVYMETALDRVR for the information you seek.
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Don't think he was seeking info from you particularly. He posted in a THREAD about it, in which there have been multiple respondents. Yet you got all butt-hurt about it for some reason.
 
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