Insurance

spoolinup22

spoolinup22

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Is insurance a pain in the you know what for you guys?

We're in the process of buying another jet, and the insurance people found it offensive when I suggested and found a "in-airplane" type rating. This is a 5 day course, compared to the 14 day Initial at Simcom/ Flight Safety.

In addition, they want me to have 25-50 mentor hours with someone else in this plane. I have a PIC type in IAI Jet. I had the other PIC sign me off as I had the 25 hours for the PIC limitation (first type).

Granted the plane is single pilot (501), but in my opinion, doesn't seem near as complicated or stressful as the Westwind. Maybe my 2,000 total, 150 jet time is low, but I think I'm just ranting.

I get how they say it is in the best interest of safety, but is this the norm?
 
Couldn't say, but could you check with the company that would do the type for suggestions on insurance carriers? They've probably had the question before. Maybe there's another insurance carrier out there that would be a better fit.

I know from my very limited experience with aircraft insurance that it's a bit more subjective than say, car insurance.

On the other hand, it's always good to go to school. It's always a great learning experience.
 
Your 2,000 total, 150 jet is low. How much of that 150 jet time is ACTUAL PIC. I'm not talking about when you technically signed the paperwork as the aircraft commander, but time where if you were with a BS contract pilot with no experience and an emergency takes place, you wouldn't die? 25-50 hours with a mentor is likely justified. Also will be a good time to bring in a contract mentor pilot and do some in aircraft training.

Just follow industry standards and best practices and do the full 142 type rating. After you do that there is no need you can't follow up with additional real airplane training.
 
MoMatt said:
Couldn't say, but could you check with the company that would do the type for suggestions on insurance carriers? They've probably had the question before. Maybe there's another insurance carrier out there that would be a better fit.

I know from my very limited experience with aircraft insurance that it's a bit more subjective than say, car insurance.

On the other hand, it's always good to go to school. It's always a great learning experience.
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I agree, but 14 days vs 5 just is a huge difference on everybody's schedule...
 
MikeOH58 said:
Your 2,000 total, 150 jet is low. How much of that 150 jet time is ACTUAL PIC. I'm not talking about when you technically signed the paperwork as the aircraft commander, but time where if you were with a BS contract pilot with no experience and an emergency takes place, you wouldn't die? 25-50 hours with a mentor is likely justified. Also will be a good time to bring in a contract mentor pilot and do some in aircraft training.

Just follow industry standards and best practices and do the full 142 type rating. After you do that there is no need you can't follow up with additional real airplane training.
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140 has been true PIC, I started 10 in the right seat to get the hang of things then every flight now I go left seat, make the decision on fuel, had a few little issues that we solved with no problem, and even flying it in low IMC.

I know I'm not the best, but it's something that I've studied alot, keep up to date on procedures, and chair fly it time to time. I'm sure in the end I'll end up doing the 14 day, then 25-50 hours with someone else, but I just feel that there needs to be exemptions, or at least ways to test out of "industry standards", and yes test out- not buy out.
 
spoolinup22 said:
140 has been true PIC, I started 10 in the right seat to get the hang of things then every flight now I go left seat, make the decision on fuel, had a few little issues that we solved with no problem, and even flying it in low IMC.

I know I'm not the best, but it's something that I've studied alot, keep up to date on procedures, and chair fly it time to time. I'm sure in the end I'll end up doing the 14 day, then 25-50 hours with someone else, but I just feel that there needs to be exemptions, or at least ways to test out of "industry standards", and yes test out- not buy out.
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Oooh wooow. Low IMC.

Do your employer as well as yourself a massive favor. Go to school.
 
spoolinup22 said:
I agree, but 14 days vs 5 just is a huge difference on everybody's schedule...
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14 days is standard. Why a pilot would want less training is beyond me. If the boss doesn't like it, that's just the reality of the business. I wouldn't want my family flying in a single pilot jet when the pilot went through a 5 day quickie courses and has 150 hours of jet time.
 
The 14 day course is your best bet. Training is not the place you want to take shortcuts. Even as a high'ish time pilot I wouldn't feel comfortable hopping into a plane single pilot with a quickie course as my only training.
 
Go to School, 14 days is pretty standard and is becoming a "quick" type rating these days.

Personally I love going to school, its a good time and a break from the norm.
 
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