Delta Disqualifiers

PeanuckleCRJ said:
Those people have a major airline job and you don't. :p
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PhilosopherPilot said:
I started to help it devolve...but apparently I hadn't had enough whiskey so I edited my posts. I think we should install a breathalyzer that is attached to this forum.
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Some of us would never post.

Some of my best material is when I've gotten into the bar in the home office.

You should see me pick on my coworkers on the SouthernJets pilot forums.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Those people have a major airline job and you don't. :p
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Man, you really got me. How will I ever be able to live with myself at home in Hawaii where I am presently sitting on call in my living room watching the Magic School Bus with my son. One day, I hope I can really make it like you have. /s

But seriously, if the most effective retort you can come up with is essentially, "ummm, well you're not a major airline pilot, so clearly in a discussion about what degrees require the most critical thinking it is obvious that liberal arts > engineering," then you may not have gotten the return on your investment you think you did. ;-)
 
Derg said:
And how quick would the thread devolve into a grudge match where I have to make a long-winded speech about "how you bastards have to co-exist, ah ah ah, I don't care how you feel about one another, but you will get along in my house"? :)
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I was just playing around... I've dabbled a bit in the past in the Phil/Psych thing.....
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Agree to disagree, though I submit that you didn't get into the deeper philosophy classes if you didn't find things relevant to life. Also, I'm not talking specifically about philosophy. By far my most enlightening classes were various history and law classes.

At any rate, it is true that engineering teaches a very specific kind of critical thinking that is fundamentally different than what you learn through studying something like philosophy. Some people have a really hard time with grey, and those people don't do well in philosophy. That's all I mean. The engineers do great problem solving on how to build a bridge, or design a mechanical part.
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This post tells me a lot... It tells me that your opinion of engineers in based on some outdated 1950s concept of guys running around with sliderules and pocket protectors. Fortunately, this is the 21st century and that is not at all how things are done in the industry, and it is absolutely not how engineering students are taught.

Engineering today is not done in a solitary vacuum. One must have very strong communication skills to work within design groups, interfacing directly with customers, vendors, and in some cases marketing and sales. Critical thinking and communications are extremely important, as much as the technical skills are.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You know, Hacker, it's not too late for you to escape an industry so crazy that they ask an accomplished military officer for his high school transcripts. :)
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I'm 48 years old. My high school transcripts in no way, shape or form reflect on the type of man I am today... I agree with you totally, It's borderline insulting to ask a an accomplished military officer for H.S. transcrips..
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
See above.

Again, no argument that engineers are great at a highly specialized type of critical thinking. I just don't think they are any better suited to flying than a liberal arts majors, and in some cases maybe worse suited.
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I don't think one's suitability for flying is based in any way on college.

-Fox
 
pullup said:
Nah, sorry, I don't agree. A true engineer is able to think logically and critically. That's the progressiveness of engineering, how to make some thing cheaper/better/faster as well as make things that has never been done before. I took a few philosophy classes too, what I got out of them is there was nothing in them useful to the real world. Interesting discussions, sure, but I didn't gain anything that I didn't already have.
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Spoken like an engineer.

"The brain is the most important organ in the body," says the brain.

-Fox
 
ppragman said:
In this thread: people defending their choice of a philosophy major.
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You people are all so myopic sometimes. Is that something they teach you in college?

It seems that far too many people don't survive the experience with their abstract reasoning intact.

-Fox
 
Derg said:
You know what, generally speaking people get along better online when they drink. Rounds out the spikes of anger which cause troll and flame wars.

True story.
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Won't hold true with the angry drunks, or those who get angrier when they drink. :)

JetDoc said:
I'm 48 years old. My high school transcripts in no way, shape or form reflect on the type of man I am today... I agree with you totally, It's borderline insulting to ask a an accomplished military officer for H.S. transcrips..
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To be fair, no one is holding a gun to his head and forcing him to apply for the job. There are other avenues in aviation besides airline. But yes, I don't see where/how it necessarily applies to the job at hand. :)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You know, Hacker, it's not too late for you to escape an industry so crazy that they ask an accomplished military officer for his high school transcripts. :)
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I am certain that at a future NJC I will be buying you a libation and telling you that you were right!
 
JetDoc said:
I'm 48 years old. My high school transcripts in no way, shape or form reflect on the type of man I am today... I agree with you totally, It's borderline insulting to ask a an accomplished military officer for H.S. transcrips..
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I'd like to think that the recruiting and hiring departments are smart enough to consider my BA and MBA as well as my 20 years as a military leader, instructor, mentor, etc, along side that high school GPA. I know that in at least one of the interviews I was in, when they asked about a crappy grade I got in a calculus class in 1992, I knew the question wasn't really trying to prompt me to provide them a sufficient explanation or excuse for that grade.

We do have to remember, though, that not every applicant has any education beyond high school to look at, and life experience notwithstanding, formal education performance is at least a part of that "well rounded individual" everyone is talking about.
 
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