Mokuele Airlines details and pay?

Perhaps I sparked a flame that I did not intend too. I don't think it's necesary to bash on my standards. I was just merly saying that I was laid back and wouldn't mind offering help for extra money....not that I was looking in any way to change the context of what an airline pilot is (135 or 121)...nor do I have any expierence to even make a comment about that.

Sorry for causing some sort of tension here... I was just looking for some help. I was admitting with my low hours that I don't qualify for what most of you top guys in 121 or 135 ops want. Wouldn't sound right for me to be demanding when someone around the corner wants the job just as much as I do with far more expierence. Sorry.

Don't worry about it. You came here to learn and get advice. Further more, you took that advice and actually listening to it instead of trying to argue that you know best anyway. There's nothing wrong with asking the questions. But like @surreal1221 said, it takes some effort to actually get treated like a professional pilot, especially at the entry level of the industry. Lots of companies take advantage of guys that just want to fly. Just remember, there really are no short cuts and you'll do fine.
 
Don't worry about it. You came here to learn and get advice. Further more, you took that advice and actually listening to it instead of trying to argue that you know best anyway. There's nothing wrong with asking the questions.
Thanks. I have learned all too well from 18-20 year olds at my school...that having that attitude gets you no where and no friends.
 
Except that you want to work for them as a pilot, not a ramper. If they need the SIC in the plane (which I think they do per their insurance) then they damn well should be hiring guys to be pilots and not a ramper who gets to fly some times.
But, for the record, if you are aspiring to be a professional pilot. You should also aspire to be treated like one. Taking on additional non-flying related duties can cause great harm to the protection mechanisms in place that safeguard your professional worth and value.

Just left Mokulele after 1 1/2 years there. For the record I was never required to throw a single bag. I did from time to time, but that was only to help out the Rampers whom I befriended.
My responsibilities were to share flight duties with the guy in the other seat.
I couldn't agree more with aspiring and expecting to being treated as a professional. Mokulele is a sound company. They treat their pilots like pilots and treat them well.

As for the cost of living in Hawaii, it's crazy expensive. I am from there and did have the support of family and friends during my time as an SIC.
If anyone has more questions regarding this company feel free to PM me.
Aloha
 
It's not at all. Even with an outer island base (and from what jumpseaters have said recently they are more senior right now) there is no way you will be able to live on $18,000 a year over here. I think most of the SICs that do are from here and have family to live with.

BobDDuck, are you a commuter to HNL or live in base / on the islands? If commuting where ya going out from?
 
Let's just chalk it up to an honest mistake...

But, for the record, if you are aspiring to be a professional pilot. You should also aspire to be treated like one. Taking on additional non-flying related duties can cause great harm to the protection mechanisms in place that safeguard your professional worth and value.

Ya know, this is true, but not really in the 135 world at all. In 135, you do everything at many jobs, because most of these companies (including Mokulele) are small-ish businesses. You're the ramper, you're the gate agent, you're the pilot, you're the flight attendant, and you're the dispatcher in 135. This is especially true, "off the beaten path" like in Alaska. You're not going to remain employed very long if you don't help load and unload your airplane up north. Can't speak to the way it is at Mokulele, but even here flying medevac in Hawaii I'm helping load the patient, I'm filing my own flight plans, and between legs I fuel my airplane and replenish medical oxygen. That's simply a part of this job (and it's not something I mind doing).

I will also say, that in defense of OP, it's not really fair to say, "hold your standards high, don't throw bags," when you've got less than 135 mins. Hell, I'm a 6,000hr pilot and I've thrown bags and fishboxes, and (THE HORROR!) helped load and unload other pilots airplanes from time to time when we were slammed at most jobs I've been at. I've never had a job in aviation where I wasn't somehow responsible for things outside of simply operating the airplane.

Let me put it this way, if it were my company, who would I want to hire? The guy who helps out when needed and goes the extra mile when other people need a hand? Or the guy who says, "that's not in my job description" and walks into the pilot lounge to put his feet up. Personally, I know who I'd want to hire. It's not like he's crossing a picket line, he's helping unload airplanes that he's flying! I don't see the problem with this at all.
 
Forgive the oversimplification, but this discussion seems to be a 135 vs. 121 comparison. 121 guys fly the airplane, as personnel has been hired to fill the supporting roles. 135 guys do it all, as the operation is smaller and the "pitch in" mentality is necessary.
 
Forgive the oversimplification, but this discussion seems to be a 135 vs. 121 comparison. 121 guys fly the airplane, as personnel has been hired to fill the supporting roles. 135 guys do it all, as the operation is smaller and the "pitch in" mentality is necessary.

Yep. 100%.
 
BobDDuck, are you a commuter to HNL or live in base / on the islands? If commuting where ya going out from?

I live here. 15 minute drive to the airport. Hard to commute to inter island flying. The guys that do mostly have crash pads or stay with family, even if they live on a neighbor island.
 
Ya know, this is true, but not really in the 135 world at all. In 135, you do everything at many jobs, because most of these companies (including Mokulele) are small-ish businesses. You're the ramper, you're the gate agent, you're the pilot, you're the flight attendant, and you're the dispatcher in 135. This is especially true, "off the beaten path" like in Alaska. You're not going to remain employed very long if you don't help load and unload your airplane up north. Can't speak to the way it is at Mokulele, but even here flying medevac in Hawaii I'm helping load the patient, I'm filing my own flight plans, and between legs I fuel my airplane and replenish medical oxygen. That's simply a part of this job (and it's not something I mind doing).

I will also say, that in defense of OP, it's not really fair to say, "hold your standards high, don't throw bags," when you've got less than 135 mins. Hell, I'm a 6,000hr pilot and I've thrown bags and fishboxes, and (THE HORROR!) helped load and unload other pilots airplanes from time to time when we were slammed at most jobs I've been at. I've never had a job in aviation where I wasn't somehow responsible for things outside of simply operating the airplane.

Let me put it this way, if it were my company, who would I want to hire? The guy who helps out when needed and goes the extra mile when other people need a hand? Or the guy who says, "that's not in my job description" and walks into the pilot lounge to put his feet up. Personally, I know who I'd want to hire. It's not like he's crossing a picket line, he's helping unload airplanes that he's flying! I don't see the problem with this at all.

Is Mokulele a Part 135 outfit? I, perhaps wrongly, assumed it was Part 121. Nevertheless, the following still stands in my opinion:

When you accept a job for a flying position you are usually well aware of the "requirements" of that job. If you, as a pilot, accept a job that requires from time to time to do the additional duties as you laid out, then so be it. That's on you. If, however, you accept a job with the willingness to do the tasks specifically designed to be performed by another member of the organization, then well - that's where things start going south. Not only for you (each usage of you in this here example is the general usage) but also for those whose jobs you are now performing, for no added compensation I might add.

Edit to add: 135 they are. Go for it, start doing the ground personnels jobs too. Is that the recommendation? Perhaps they like having jobs, especially in a high cost of living environment as Hawaii, but what do I know - I'm a progressive that lives on the mainland in a highly conservative region. http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf87/785.pdf
 
Last edited:
I've heard from some 121 guys that I talk to that flying the 135 ops would be more work (like the extra help that @ppragman mentioned. I was just saying that because of my low hours I wanted any advantage that I could get. Being so young and willing to work and relocate could help me get a job than someone with more hours and not willing to move. I didn't mean to deminish my professionalism....by no means do I ever want to do that.

Seems like a great place to work but relocating all the way out to Hawaii for a pay that isn't even survivable might be too much. I know I'll be poor here and that's fine but at least survivable.....Got a lot of loan repayments that will start in December. I assumed if I wanted to go the 135 route that I'd have to be willing to do extra. Might not be the case though...you guys know better than me obviously so that's why I ask!
 
I've heard from some 121 guys that I talk to that flying the 135 ops would be more work (like the extra help that @ppragman mentioned. I was just saying that because of my low hours I wanted any advantage that I could get. Being so young and willing to work and relocate could help me get a job than someone with more hours and not willing to move. I didn't mean to deminish my professionalism....by no means do I ever want to do that.

Seems like a great place to work but relocating all the way out to Hawaii for a pay that isn't even survivable might be too much. I know I'll be poor here and that's fine but at least survivable.....Got a lot of loan repayments that will start in December. I assumed if I wanted to go the 135 route that I'd have to be willing to do extra. Might not be the case though...you guys know better than me obviously so that's why I ask!
Apparently they're doing some EAS stuff in Pennsylvania now. I got a buddy I went to school with that didn't want to instruct and eventually got on with them in Pennsylvania. He's based in some "one horse town" up there.
 
Apparently they're doing some EAS stuff in Pennsylvania now. I got a buddy I went to school with that didn't want to instruct and eventually got on with them in Pennsylvania. He's based in some "one horse town" up there.
It's not that I don't want to instruct...it's just I'd rather try flying paxs around first. I have a strong desire for the airlines so I would like to try and get their fast. Instructing turns me off because of the way my instructors talk about how much they hate teaching and want to leave. Could be because it's college students though.... I am trying to get all the resources and information I can and talk to as many companies as I can so hopefully something will pop up in July when I'm a free man with a degree.....and.....out of Montana :aghast:
 
I took a glider ride on the North Shore of Oahu. The tow pilot flying the L-19 wasn't wearing a shirt. For a moment, I had serious job envy.

I caught a ride from Maui to Hilo on Hawaiian. The crew was sans tie and the FO had a full beard. Again, with the envy.

Ah, if money wasn't an issue...
Hawaiian allows their pilots to have beards? You know... like a captain of a ship is supposed to?
 
It's not that I don't want to instruct...it's just I'd rather try flying paxs around first. I have a strong desire for the airlines so I would like to try and get their fast. Instructing turns me off because of the way my instructors talk about how much they hate teaching and want to leave. Could be because it's college students though.... I am trying to get all the resources and information I can and talk to as many companies as I can so hopefully something will pop up in July when I'm a free man with a degree.....and.....out of Montana :aghast:
And that is the problem with aviation. People instructing because it is a necessary evil vice people that should instruct because they love to. I would personally try other outfits and fly with someone that does it part-time and not necessarily for income. You may be surprised to find out that you are good at it and actually enjoy it.
 
And that is the problem with aviation. People instructing because it is a necessary evil vice people that should instruct because they love to. I would personally try other outfits and fly with someone that does it part-time and not necessarily for income. You may be surprised to find out that you are good at it and actually enjoy it.
Had a great 61 instructor for my private before I came to college. Best instructor I've ever had. Taught me so much and loved to fly. Was always motivated to fly from rise to dusk (had a schedule online that we would reserve a time)...but he definitely wasn't putting me down for his problems or because he was an instructor. He had about 1500 hours at the time and was looking for other jobs but just still instructing. I knew he was a ramper in SFO at Skywest.....He did end up leaving, not sure where he went but boy he was awesome. Really wish I could have had all my instructing for him. After my experiences I will definitely not treat students bad if I don't enjoy instructing....just find something else like you said....or maybe I won't go down the CFI road who knows...but I completely agree with you.
 
Back
Top