Delta off the Runway - LGA

Just watching the story on CNN now.

I didn't realize that they were landing 13. Lord, I hope they weren't going ILS22 circle to 13! I would like to think not, but I know that even on the best days that approach makes my butthole pucker.
 
Current weather:
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KLGA 051651Z 32016KT 1/4SM R04/2800V4000FT SN FZFG FEW006 OVC012 M03/M05 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP210 P0005 T10331050 $
I'm just gonna stay on the couch today; that seems very unpleasant. We do take this thing to LGA, but I haven't been out there in it yet. West coasters don't normally get out that way.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Braking action: OMGWTF!

Glad everyone is ok. No matter what happens I feel for the crew. Has to be the worst feeling in the world.

Side note, NYC needs to build an island airport like Osaka that can actually handle traffic, build a high speed rail line to downtown, and shut down all three of the crapholes they call airports.
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They should have at least abandoned la garbage after sandy.
 
CRJDriver said:
I honestly don't understand DL's decision making process sometimes, esp. during IROPs. While most every other carrier pre-cancels flights, there always seems to be DL flights going... Until a mishap happens then all of the sudden they will cancel. I've been noticing this for the past few winter storms for the last few years.
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I don't think it is appropriate to stereotype one of the world's largest carriers for operations within an extremely dynamic environment. Say what you will about Delta, but I have no doubt whatsoever that this crew flew a stabilized approach and simply fell victim to worsening conditions. Fate is the Hunter.

Again, we all live in glass houses and should be very careful about lobbing blame in situations like this.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
I don't think it is appropriate to stereotype one of the world's largest carriers for operations within an extremely dynamic environment. Say what you will about Delta, but I have no doubt whatsoever that this crew flew a stabilized approach and simply fell victim to worsening conditions. Fate is the Hunter.

Again, we all live in glass houses and should be very careful about lobbing blame in situations like this.
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I both agree and don't agree.

My experience in the UAX system had drawdowns in the hub for anything more than about three snowflakes. Multiple times my entire day cancelled and I'd be walking past people bedding down in the airport as I was on my way to the car even though we had 4 hours before the snow started...if it even came at all.

That said, as a group in aviation we tend to follow the herd mentality. You see it with runway conditions, strong crosswinds, maintenance, and even thunderstorms where ops continue as normal until one person raises the BS flag, then everyone does.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
I don't think it is appropriate to stereotype one of the world's largest carriers for operations within an extremely dynamic environment. Say what you will about Delta, but I have no doubt whatsoever that this crew flew a stabilized approach and simply fell victim to worsening conditions. Fate is the Hunter.

Again, we all live in glass houses and should be very careful about lobbing blame in situations like this.
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By the METAR above it did seem like there was a 16 knot tail wind. Not sure how close that is timestamped in reference to the incident.
 
I'm confused by what appears to be a lack of any snow disturbance from the nosewheel/nose in the images and videos I've seen thus far. I would assume that the snow would have been disturbed prior to riding up the berm... perhaps it's just the images.
 
Kingairer said:
By the METAR above it did seem like there was a 16 knot tail wind. Not sure how close that is timestamped in reference to the incident.
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I do not have the weather for the time of the accident...one second, let me look.

Screaming_Emu said:
I both agree and don't agree.

My experience in the UAX system had drawdowns in the hub for anything more than about three snowflakes. Multiple times my entire day cancelled and I'd be walking past people bedding down in the airport as I was on my way to the car even though we had 4 hours before the snow started...if it even came at all.

That said, as a group in aviation we tend to follow the herd mentality. You see it with runway conditions, strong crosswinds, maintenance, and even thunderstorms where ops continue as normal until one person raises the BS flag, then everyone does.
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Nobody wants to be first. It doesn't matter what it is, but nobody wants to be first to chicken out.

In the Conga line into O'Hare some weeks ago, EVERYONE wanted to know what the braking action was; once Approach finally came up and said it was poor to nil on the runway most of us were set up for. There was a brief moment, and someone finally piped up and said "You know what, we aren't going to do that, request two eight center." Then just about everyone else did too. We were the last ones they recovered on 27R before doing snow clearance.

(Parenthetically: Our numbers supported landing our relatively light airplane, and stopping on 27R with even the worst case traction scenario, and it turns out that the report was really "fair touchdown, poor middle, nil rollout," as we discovered. Approach only passed on the "poor to nil" part.)

It's amazing what saying, "You know what? Nope, we'll wait/change runways/whatever" does. Because everyone else is thinking it.
 
lwaldeck said:
I'm confused by what appears to be a lack of any snow disturbance from the nosewheel/nose in the images and videos I've seen thus far. I would assume that the snow would have been disturbed prior to riding up the berm... perhaps it's just the images.
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Could just be that it's covered from more snow falling.
 
Great! This means CNN will be calling in their aviation circus for the next few weeks.
 
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