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So, the argument that there is no margin to increase wages is now bull right? Between all these sign on bonuses and now this, clearly the resources to increase pilot wages exist, management just prefers to roll out these dog and pony shows.
 
sp238882 said:
So, the argument that there is no margin to increase wages is now bull right? Between all these sign on bonuses and now this, clearly the resources to increase pilot wages exist, management just prefers to roll out these dog and pony shows.
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I wouldn't be so fast to judge that. It could take a while to deplete the cash reserves from all the bonuses. For all we know, it's a temporary do gap that has the potential to sink a company.
 
mshunter said:
I wouldn't be so fast to judge that. It could take a while to deplete the cash reserves from all the bonuses. For all we know, it's a temporary do gap that has the potential to sink a company.
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I personally don't for once buy that there isn't some rainy day cash. It is rainy day, so let it rain.
 
sp238882 said:
So, the argument that there is no margin to increase wages is now bull right? Between all these sign on bonuses and now this, clearly the resources to increase pilot wages exist, management just prefers to roll out these dog and pony shows.
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Are you still showing up to work?

;)
 
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For a while i thought the new ATP rules would be a great way to force the airlines to finally pay pilots what they're worth. Now I'm thinking I was completely wrong and it's going to be yet another way for airlines to lock in pilots to a multi-year low pay contract in return for giving applicants a written.
 
Mark815 said:
It begins...

For a while i thought the new ATP rules would be a great way to force the airlines to finally pay pilots what they're worth. Now I'm thinking I was completely wrong and it's going to be yet another way for airlines to lock in pilots to a multi-year low pay contract in return for giving applicants a written.
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You weren't alone and I thought it was funny hearing people say that. Unfortunately, the folks that write the bill don't understand their actions.
 
Mark815 said:
It begins...

For a while i thought the new ATP rules would be a great way to force the airlines to finally pay pilots what they're worth. Now I'm thinking I was completely wrong and it's going to be yet another way for airlines to lock in pilots to a multi-year low pay contract in return for giving applicants a written.
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Only if the pilots are stupid enough to sign up.
 
Regardless if they pay you more up front or pay for your fight training, who cares? You're still netting more in the end.

I can understand not wanting to pay more, because that's forever, where these can be undone at any moment of industry stagnation. Smart management tactic, let's be honest.
 
There will NEVER be meaningful pay increases at the regionals. From a management standpoint, it just doesn't make sense. Why would they raise pay and then deal with having to ask for concessions at some point in time down the road, when they can give bonuses and still attract new hires. A raise in pay for them would equal be out to a permanent fix for a temporary problem.

And I expect that by the end of 2015, 90% of regional airlines will offer some sort of ATP written program as part of their new-hire curriculum. Many won't require you to sign a contract I suspect either.
 
Vector said:
Unfortunately with $50K or more in Sallie loans, people with take it in the hopes that they get through and move on to bigger and better things.
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Of course they will. And I took the $22.81/hr commuter FO job because I had no other choice either. Either that, keep CFI'ing, or fly freight for $35k if I was lucky.

I'm left wondering what your story is, ie how did you get to where you are now? Where are you now? Unless you go military, which not everyone can qualify for (I am 20/400 in each eye, not a chance) almost every civilian pilot will work for a commuter if they want to move to a large carrier.
 
wheelsup said:
Of course they will. And I took the $22.81/hr commuter FO job because I had no other choice either. Either that, keep CFI'ing, or fly freight for $35k if I was lucky.

I'm left wondering what your story is, ie how did you get to where you are now? Where are you now? Unless you go military, which not everyone can qualify for (I am 20/400 in each eye, not a chance) almost every civilian pilot will work for a commuter if they want to move to a large carrier.
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I am not sure the military route is even a wise option at this point. With a 10 year commitment, you may get out on the back end of this hiring wave. Who know how things will shake up. I am weighing options at this point.
 
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