Option to resign or be terminated...

Boris Badenov said:
Daddy, nooooooo!

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rockman2343@aol.com said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's an at will company, they don't need to buy him off, or a reason to fire him
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It differs from state to state. In my state, you can terminate anyone without cause or explanation. That said, if you provide an explanation along with the firing you open yourself up for a wrongful termination suit.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
It differs from state to state. In my state, you can terminate anyone without cause or explanation. That said, if you provide an explanation along with the firing you open yourself up for a wrongful termination suit.
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Heck yes, Forced Reduction Eligible for Rehire will get rid of anyone. Two weeks later hire someone else.
 
Derg said:
I'm not sure if we've hired anyone already on HIMS at the time of application. I seriously, seriously doubt it.
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You've hired several that I know of. Just like American (Airways), United, Jetblue, Southwest as well as my current shop.
 
doog said:
It's kinda relevant, IMHO.
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I think you are missing the big picture/point. Why would someone who desires to remain in the industry, has had an issue, is also currently embroiled in an issue, want to link himself/out himself with an NTSB report, even if there is only a prelim one out, and plaster that all over the internet? His career and his future are at stake here. Think about it. The only person he needs to be speaking to, following the counsel of and providing info to, is an experienced Aviation Attorney and not a bunch of nosy pilots on a forum. I thought this would have been obvious.
 
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A Life Aloft said:
I think you are missing the big picture/point. Why would someone who desires to remain in the industry, has had an issue, is also currently embroiled in an issue, want to link himself/out himself with an NTSB report, even if there is only a prelim one out, and plaster that all over the internet? Think about it. The only person he needs to be speaking to and providing info to, is an experienced Aviation Attorney and not a bunch of nosy pilots on a forum. I thought this would have been obvious.
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Eeeeeeeyup.
 
A Life Aloft said:
I think you are missing the big picture/point. Why would someone who desires to remain in the industry, has had an issue, is also currently embroiled in an issue, want to link himself/out himself with an NTSB report, even if there is only a prelim one out, and plaster that all over the internet? His career and his future are at stake here. Think about it. The only person he needs to be speaking to, following the counsel of and providing info to, is an experienced Aviation Attorney and not a bunch of nosy pilots on a forum. I thought this would have been obvious.
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True, however he's the one who posted it on the nosy pilots forum. Advice on whether or not he should quit or allow himself to be fired thus rests entirely upon whether or not this was a stupid pilot trick or an unavoidable incident. Either way, it's hard to say without having any context of the accident.

Hiring an aviation attorney is probably money down the drain, at $250 plus per hour what's he fighting for... there is no recourse for this on a wrongful termination suit in any at will state in this country. Even if he won he'd likely only cover enough to pay the lawyer, maybe. Best advice is if it was a stupid pilot trick and he should have spoken up, resign.. otherwise be fired.
 
doog said:
True, however he's the one who posted it on the nosy pilots forum. Advice on whether or not he should quit or allow himself to be fired thus rests entirely upon whether or not this was a stupid pilot trick or an unavoidable incident. Either way, it's hard to say without having any context of the accident.

Hiring an aviation attorney is probably money down the drain, at $250 plus per hour what's he fighting for... there is no recourse for this on a wrongful termination suit in any at will state in this country. Even if he won he'd likely only cover enough to pay the lawyer, maybe. Best advice is if it was a stupid pilot trick and he should have spoken up, resign.. otherwise be fired.
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Ay yi yi........Yes, and he made a mistake by doing that. The smart thing he has done however, was to stop discussing it publicly.

I think that the worst course for a person in this situation is to go public and take the advice of a bunch of pilots who have no idea what they are really talking about in this situation, and don't know/understand all the laws that pertain to his issues, how this will be handled in the future, his options, the possible complications and repercussions, etc. An established, experienced, well respected attorney in a serious situation such as this, with his career on the line, is not going to be a waste of money either and can properly and correctly aid him in his next move(s).

Do you really want him to advertise his plight on here or anywhere else in public? That makes no sense whatsoever. What possible good/benefit do you believe would come of such an action? There is no need for any of us to have any more details or information about his issues. We are not qualified to really help him in the first place, except to contribute/offer up a bunch of mostly worthless speculation, and conflicting opinions/ideas, let alone correctly guide him and possibly spare his career. Do you or anyone else really want to be responsible for giving him misinformation, erroneous guidance and causing even more damage/harm?
 
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doog said:
True, however he's the one who posted it on the nosy pilots forum. Advice on whether or not he should quit or allow himself to be fired thus rests entirely upon whether or not this was a stupid pilot trick or an unavoidable incident. Either way, it's hard to say without having any context of the accident.

Hiring an aviation attorney is probably money down the drain, at $250 plus per hour what's he fighting for... there is no recourse for this on a wrongful termination suit in any at will state in this country. Even if he won he'd likely only cover enough to pay the lawyer, maybe. Best advice is if it was a stupid pilot trick and he should have spoken up, resign.. otherwise be fired.
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doog said:
True, however he's the one who posted it on the nosy pilots forum. Advice on whether or not he should quit or allow himself to be fired thus rests entirely upon whether or not this was a stupid pilot trick or an unavoidable incident. Either way, it's hard to say without having any context of the accident.

Hiring an aviation attorney is probably money down the drain, at $250 plus per hour what's he fighting for... there is no recourse for this on a wrongful termination suit in any at will state in this country. Even if he won he'd likely only cover enough to pay the lawyer, maybe. Best advice is if it was a stupid pilot trick and he should have spoken up, resign.. otherwise be fired.
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Employment law is more complicated than you suggest and the circumstances associated with the termination of a pilot can have career-long consequences.

The involvement of an attorney can result in win-win results. A letter of termination stating that the organization is ceasing or suspending aircraft operations and no longer requires a pilot's services is the kind of thing that attorneys can negotiate for.

Beyond that, the issue of continuation and termination of benefits is an issue that attorneys are experts at addressing. For some, continued health insurance coverage alone is worth a fight.

The OP should talk to an attorney ASAP and lobby for the deletion of this thread.
 
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