Mesa Airlines

[Maurus]

6.5 years being that ALL regionals are bottom feeders. That my regional is better than your regional stuff is for the birds(and the JC Mafia). Move up the food chain.

Yes, that is good reason to ignore situations where some improvements can be made. They all suck so lets let them go to hell.

EFBs have benefits for the company. It puts them in a better position to bid on flying. Kicking two flight kits off allow more people/bags on the aircraft in weight limited scenarios and saves fuel in others. Of course all this benefiting the mainline partner.

Any work related injuries due to the flight kit will disappear and any required re-qual stuff (if out of work long enough) will be avoided as well.

This stuff alone will pay for the EFBs or at least help subsidize them. Sorry. EFBs help the company just as much if not more than the pilots and should be properly negotiated.

Just because the regionals are trash it doesn't mean improvements can't be made. You seem to make it sound like we should give up. Mainline is likely in our future, but that doesn't mean we need to take it up the ass till we get there.

 

[surreal1221]

6.5 years being that ALL regionals are bottom feeders. That my regional is better than your regional stuff is for the birds(and the JC Mafia). Move up the food chain.

He commands it, so you must.

 

[at1024]

But here in the trenches, I think it's safe to say there's a heck of a difference in QOL at my employer compared to some of the other stuff out there, for several reasons.

Let's talk about some of those reasons. These problems that we've been discussing in here are not necessarily unique to Mesa. True, Mesa isn't exactly leading the pack, but from what I remember Compass makes you pay for your own lodging during training. That cost alone is exponential to what an EFB costs, but hey people still go to work there. XJT/ASA used to provide double occupancy hotels during training (and maybe they still do?), forcing employees to take some of the cost that should be the responsibility of the company, but hey pilots were signing up in droves this time last year. Skywest doesn't have a nice $5k, or whatever it is now, sign on bonus like some of the more desperate regionals, but they still get plenty of applicants. Republic has a non existent labor support group, a horrendous contract, and no cancellation pay while flying in some worst places for weather cancellations, and they still find at least a few pilots willing to put up with that.

My point is that most pilots are looking at the bigger picture when choosing a prospective employer. Pilots living in PHX or DFW are looking at the ability to drive to work and hold a line fairly quickly at Mesa versus commuting to reserve someplace like JFK while paying for an overpriced crashpad, barely having enough cash leftover to eat at the sandwich shop run by the guy who doesn't speak English, and spending all of that extra time away from their families due to the commute. "But Eaglevoy will pay for your iPad!" These guys don't give a rats ass that they have to pay for an iPad. They are just looking at what is best for them and their family. Truth be told most probably already own an iPad anyway, so it really does not matter to them. Don't forget, everyone's situation is different in this game.

The funny thing is that the OP didn't come to the JC community seeking public approval from a group of strangers on the internet. The OP is looking for firsthand knowledge of the training process and the "day to day" life working for the company. And outside of the few of us who provided personal experience from working at Mesa, the best that anyone else here can come up with is "well you should't go to work there because they make you pay for your own EFB and JO is a douchebag..." Pre-bankruptcy Mesa was a different company...period. And don't get me wrong it's definitely not all rainbows and butterflies but this place has seen vast improvement in recent years and is showing a positive trend unlike other regionals that are taking concessions and starting to slide downhill.

Personally I enjoy working here. I don't live in domicile but the commute is a breeze and I can manipulate my schedule to get what I want as a junior lineholder. And the crews here are wonderful to work with and stick up for each other.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

6.5 years being that ALL regionals are bottom feeders. That my regional is better than your regional stuff is for the birds(and the JC Mafia). Move up the food chain.

Oh yeah. My regional sucks balls. Not denying that.

 

[Trip7]

Let's talk about some of those reasons. These problems that we've been discussing in here are not necessarily unique to Mesa. True, Mesa isn't exactly leading the pack, but from what I remember Compass makes you pay for your own lodging during training. That cost alone is exponential to what an EFB costs, but hey people still go to work there. XJT/ASA used to provide double occupancy hotels during training (and maybe they still do?), forcing employees to take some of the cost that should be the responsibility of the company, but hey pilots were signing up in droves this time last year. Skywest doesn't have a nice $5k, or whatever it is now, sign on bonus like some of the more desperate regionals, but they still get plenty of applicants. Republic has a non existent labor support group, a horrendous contract, and no cancellation pay while flying in some worst places for weather cancellations, and they still find at least a few pilots willing to put up with that.

My point is that most pilots are looking at the bigger picture when choosing a prospective employer. Pilots living in PHX or DFW are looking at the ability to drive to work and hold a line fairly quickly at Mesa versus commuting to reserve someplace like JFK while paying for an overpriced crashpad, barely having enough cash leftover to eat at the sandwich shop run by the guy who doesn't speak English, and spending all of that extra time away from their families due to the commute. "But Eaglevoy will pay for your iPad!" These guys don't give a rats ass that they have to pay for an iPad. They are just looking at what is best for them and their family. Truth be told most probably already own an iPad anyway, so it really does not matter to them. Don't forget, everyone's situation is different in this game.

The funny thing is that the OP didn't come to the JC community seeking public approval from a group of strangers on the internet. The OP is looking for firsthand knowledge of the training process and the "day to day" life working for the company. And outside of the few of us who provided personal experience from working at Mesa, the best that anyone else here can come up with is "well you should't go to work there because they make you pay for your own EFB and JO is a douchebag..." Pre-bankruptcy Mesa was a different company...period. And don't get me wrong it's definitely not all rainbows and butterflies but this place has seen vast improvement in recent years and is showing a positive trend unlike other regionals that are taking concessions and starting to slide downhill.

Personally I enjoy working here. I don't live in domicile but the commute is a breeze and I can manipulate my schedule to get what I want as a junior lineholder. And the crews here are wonderful to work with and stick up for each other.

Well said. Especially like how you mention the "big picture". An article I linked a little bit ago referenced how folks who created their own luck seemed to focus on the big picture and not get worked up on little stuff. The JC Mafia thread after thread get worked up on trivial things that mean little in the grand scheme.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

He commands it, so you must.

I often read a lot of hate toward @Trip7. I think maybe because he not only got out of the junior varsity league, but also because of where he ended up at. Maybe it's because I'm not in the industry and in a vicious gnash cluster, desperately trying to scratch, and claw myself up and out of the regionals. But though you were most likely being sarcastic, I read his comment as him saying don't sweat the small stuff, and to keep your eyes on the prize. I don't think that he's at all forgotten about his friends and co-workers he left at super regional. I more than believe that he's quite aware of the overwhelming sentiment of anger and frustration had by those with stellar resume and flight time who want out--now, but aren't getting calls. I don't think he's a being condescending, in fact he really seems to be offering sagely advice to those that will listen, who will come up to the varsity league later, and how to be prepared when it happens. Marcus really networked his Black ass off, and volunteered his time off work to be able to get where he is. What are you doing to get there, what're all of you doing to get there? Serious question.

 

[Gonzo]

Looks like the JC Mafia got tired of PSA and has moved on to Mesa.

SouthernJets makes you pay for your uniform and last I checked that's required to do the job.

Mesa guys, keep your head up. You have a great future ahead of you. Don't mind the grizzled right seat vets still carrying 50 pound brain bags. Don't blame them for venting having to carry those things around.

You will never hear me say anything bad about PSA pilots, also I have a EFB. I am using it to post this. My problem is the EFB isn't optional, my guess is 99 out of 100 guys would buy the iPad.

 

[GypsyPilot]

I often read a lot of hate toward @Trip7. I think maybe because he not only got out of the junior varsity league, but also because of where he ended up at. Maybe it's because I'm not in the industry and in a vicious gnash cluster, desperately trying to scratch, and claw myself up and out of the regionals. But though you were most likely being sarcastic, I read his comment as him saying don't sweat the small stuff, and to keep your eyes on the prize. I don't think that he's at all forgotten about his friends and co-workers he left at super regional. I more than believe that he's quite aware of the overwhelming sentiment of anger and frustration had by those with stellar resume and flight time who want out--now, but aren't getting calls. I don't think he's a being condescending, in fact he really seems to be offering sagely advice to those that will listen, who will come up to the varsity league later, and how to be prepared when it happens. Marcus really networked his Black ass off, and volunteered his time off work to be able to get where he is. What are you doing to get there, what're all of you doing to get there? Serious question.

Many of us are working our asses off as well. I am networking all the time, and have had several interviews in the past year alone, including another one next week. I also volunteer with multiple organizations. I've also helped many pilots out where I currently work with various issues, and have helped/mentored several pilots along the way. I have zero black marks, numerous internal recs, and so on. Those of us in that situation will move on eventually, but yes it does irritate me when somebody that was still working on pre-solo maneuvers while I was well into my career make it sound like it's just a matter of having your eyes on the prize.

If I ever do make it out of the regionals, I hope somebody slaps the crap out of me if I ever say anything like just "move up the food chain". There is a lot of crazy luck, timing, or whatever you want to call it with this business. There are plenty of people working their butts off, yet still STUCK. Trip7 is EXTREMELY fortunate to be in the position he is.

 

[Gonzo]

What are you doing to get there, what're all of you doing to get there? Serious question.

I update my airline apps twice a month. Try to touch base with my internals at least once a month. I already volunteer and have since I was about 15 years old. I study my interview gouges at least twice a month so I am ready when the call comes. Look I am happy for @Trip7, I really am, and I know he doesn't mean it, but some of his post do come off as condescending as he's talking down to us. Their are a lot of guys that have worked just as hard and have moved on that give advice in a much more tactful way. @Seggy, @SpiceWeasel to name a few.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

Many of us are working our asses off as well. I am networking all the time, and have had several interviews in the past year alone, including another one next week. I also volunteer with multiple organizations. I've also helped many pilots out where I currently work with various issues, and have helped/mentored several pilots along the way. I have zero black marks, numerous internal recs, and so on. Those of us in that situation will move on eventually, but yes it does irritate me when somebody that was still working on pre-solo maneuvers while I was well into my career make it sound like it's just a matter of having your eyes on the prize.

If I ever do make it out of the regionals, I hope somebody slaps the crap out of me if I ever say anything like just "move up the food chain". There is a lot of crazy luck, timing, or whatever you want to call it with this business. There are plenty of people working their butts off, yet still STUCK. Trip7 is EXTREMELY fortunate to be in the position he is.

This site is all about networking and advice. He's offering advice. Maybe take yourself out of the equation and see the bigger picture of what he trying to get across, from his perspective now that he's gained it, having moved on to the Elysian Fields.

Being an outsider, I see what he's trying to get across. But if I was stuck and angry and as frustrated as you and everyone else are, I think that I too might only see things from a rather limited perspective as well.

He's one of the good guys.

 

[GypsyPilot]

I update my airline apps twice a month. Try to touch base with my internals at least once a month. I already volunteer and have since I was about 15 years old. I study my interview gouges at least twice a month so I am ready when the call comes. Look I am happy for @Trip7, I really am, and I know he doesn't mean it, but some of his post do come off as condescending as he's talking down to us. Their are a lot of guys that have worked just as hard and have moved on that give advice in a much more tactful way. @Seggy, @SpiceWeasel to name a few.

Exactly. I'm not jealous, I'm glad to see everybody moving on. Considering Trip7's "interesting" start here at JC a few years ago, I think we're all quite proud of him.

But when it's not done tactfully, I certainly don't appreciate it.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

I update my airline apps twice a month. Try to touch base with my internals at least once a month. I already volunteer and have since I was about 15 years old. I study my interview gouges at least twice a month so I am ready when the call comes. Look I am happy for @Trip7, I really am, and I know he doesn't mean it, but some of his post do come off as condescending as he's talking down to us. Their are a lot of guys that have worked just as hard and have moved on that give advice in a much more tactful way. @Seggy, @SpiceWeasel to name a few.

@Seggy's had his many detractors too on the site, since moving up from the NCAA to the NFL. How should they reply, that is considered to be more user friendly, I wonder.

 

[Gonzo]

This site is all about networking and advice. He's offering advice. Maybe take yourself out of the equation and see the bigger picture of what he trying to get across, from his perspective now that he's gained, it having moved on to the Elysian Fields.

Being an outsider, I see what he's trying to get across. But if I was stuck and angry and as frustrated as you and everyone else are, I think that I too might only see things from a rather limited perspective as well.

He's one of the good guys.

Just because his way worked for him doesn't mean it will work for everyone. Not all interns get hired, not everyone that gets the 737 scholarship gets hired. There is no clear path, if he wanted to help he could offer to look over guys airline apps. Some of us have gotten a few "fix it" emails and have no clue why. He could set up a meet and greet maybe at the Delta museum. He could post some volunteer opportunities that he felt was helpful. Maybe even talk about how the 737s scholarship works. These are examples of what would be a helpful post.

 

[Trip7]

Just because his way worked for him doesn't mean it will work for everyone. Not all interns get hired, not everyone that gets the 737 scholarship gets hired. There is no clear path, if he wanted to help he could offer to look over guys airline apps. Some of us have gotten a few "fix it" emails and have no clue why. He could set up a meet and greet maybe at the Delta museum. He could post some volunteer opportunities that he felt was helpful. Maybe even talk about how the 737s scholarship works. These are examples of what would be a helpful post.

Once again you missed the message and are viewing thing from an extremely limited perspective. Somehow Max's post came across to you as do it my way and it's the only way. Several posters have come on here and expressed to you and a few others are missing the big picture.

FYI, speak for yourself not me on how to help out. Everyone that has reached out to me I've helped. They all have something in common, they are looking at the big picture and not caught up on trivial things like bashing Mesa folks about EFBs.

 

[Gonzo]

Everyone that has reached out to me I've helped.

Ok, can you make a post or maybe write A perspective for @Derg.

I would never qualify for the OBAP or the WIA scholarships but I am sure some members would love to hear about how the process works. Maybe talk about your volunteer work like with ACE I think you did an excellent job combining volunteer work with Aviation.

 

[surreal1221]

I often read a lot of hate toward @Trip7. I think maybe because he not only got out of the junior varsity league, but also because of where he ended up at. Maybe it's because I'm not in the industry and in a vicious gnash cluster, desperately trying to scratch, and claw myself up and out of the regionals. But though you were most likely being sarcastic, I read his comment as him saying don't sweat the small stuff, and to keep your eyes on the prize. I don't think that he's at all forgotten about his friends and co-workers he left at super regional. I more than believe that he's quite aware of the overwhelming sentiment of anger and frustration had by those with stellar resume and flight time who want out--now, but aren't getting calls. I don't think he's a being condescending, in fact he really seems to be offering sagely advice to those that will listen, who will come up to the varsity league later, and how to be prepared when it happens. Marcus really networked his Black ass off, and volunteered his time off work to be able to get where he is. What are you doing to get there, what're all of you doing to get there? Serious question.

Your serious question doesn't require me to provide everything that I have done in the past 10 years of my life as some sort of validation of my acts necessary to move onward in my career. You should know better.

Who are YOU, or anyone (once again, since we are right back on this topic that I am pretty sure I addressed a few weeks back in the defense of another member not having to lay out everything to someone on the internet) else for that matter, to demand that we (individuals you [general you] perceive haven't done enough to just waltz into Mainline) outline everything we have performed in the goal of reaching the destination someone else has?

And since you may have missed it:

http://forums.jetcareers.com/thread...tter-part-of-valor.211694/page-6#post-2377031

And, regrettably since it wasn't digested well enough by the intended recipient, here is part two:

http://forums.jetcareers.com/thread...tter-part-of-valor.211694/page-6#post-2377094

The reality is Max that anyone that wants to move-on, is doing everything that we can to move on. The insulting part is when others assume that we haven't so that must mean why we haven't moved on, especially considering how easy it appears it has come for some since well, they didn't really share how it happened. That said, those that want to move on haven't stopped flying, haven't quit attending job fairs, haven't ceased to stay safe, haven't worked their tails off to finish their undergraduate degrees. I could go on for a bit, you should get the idea. Additionally, some may have advanced degrees or have graduated with honors, high honors, or very high honors or even volunteered by taking an Oath instead of a weekly visit to help some kittens in a shelter.

Since you said it, I'm quite glad OBAP helped Marcus out. Congrats to him. To be honest, since that's how it happened perhaps he should own it and spotlight how other members could take advantage of it instead of claiming how powerful luck was, and how it just so happened, and now he is there, and yippee do-daa "Move up the food chain" is just so easy it came at he snap of a finger because he created his own luck. Give me a break.

No, it wasn't luck. It was him accomplishing individual acts that made harnessing an opportunity that came his direction much easier. Not damn luck. A child counts on luck to win a game of chance. An adult counts on luck to win a game of chance. A professional uses his knowledge, skills, and abilities to position him/herself in a spot to lock onto an opportunity - not damn luck. Own it. Own your actions and if you genuinely wish for others to be able to accomplish their goals, help them realize that it is only through their actions that they can accomplish their desires; not dumb luck.

Earning a type rating scholarship and then successfully being provided a job at a company wasn't dumb luck, it was hard work. Unless of course he wishes for a person to think that it was simply dumb luck and that he didn't accomplish any work to actually achieve such. That's on him.

 

[Trip7]

Your serious question doesn't require me to provide everything that I have done in the past 10 years of my life as some sort of validation of my acts necessary to move onward in my career. You should know better.

Who are YOU, or anyone (once again, since we are right back on this topic that I am pretty sure I addressed a few weeks back in the defense of another member not having to lay out everything to someone on the internet) else for that matter, to demand that we (individuals you [general you] perceive haven't done enough to just waltz into Mainline) outline everything we have performed in the goal of reaching the destination someone else has?

And since you may have missed it:

http://forums.jetcareers.com/thread...tter-part-of-valor.211694/page-6#post-2377031

And, regrettably since it wasn't digested well enough by the intended recipient, here is part two:

http://forums.jetcareers.com/thread...tter-part-of-valor.211694/page-6#post-2377094

The reality is Max that anyone that wants to move-on, is doing everything that we can to move on. The insulting part is when others assume that we haven't so that must mean why we haven't moved on, especially considering how easy it appears it has come for some since well, they didn't really share how it happened. That said, those that want to move on haven't stopped flying, haven't quit attending job fairs, haven't ceased to stay safe, haven't worked their tails off to finish their undergraduate degrees. I could go on for a bit, you should get the idea. Additionally, some may have advanced degrees or have graduated with honors, high honors, or very high honors or even volunteered by taking an Oath instead of a weekly visit to help some kittens in a shelter.

Since you said it, I'm quite glad OBAP helped Marcus out. Congrats to him. To be honest, since that's how it happened perhaps he should own it and spotlight how other members could take advantage of it instead of claiming how powerful luck was, and how it just so happened, and now he is there, and yippee do-daa "Move up the food chain" is just so easy it came at he snap of a finger because he created his own luck. Give me a break.

No, it wasn't luck. It was him accomplishing individual acts that made harnessing an opportunity that came his direction much easier. Not damn luck. A child counts on luck to win a game of chance. An adult counts on luck to win a game of chance. A professional uses his knowledge, skills, and abilities to position him/herself in a spot to lock onto an opportunity - not damn luck. Own it. Own your actions and if you genuinely wish for others to be able to accomplish their goals, help them realize that it is only through their actions that they can accomplish their desires; not dumb luck.

Earning a type rating scholarship and then successfully being provided a job at a company wasn't dumb luck, it was hard work. Unless of course he wishes for a person to think that it was simply dumb luck and that he didn't accomplish any work to actually achieve such. That's on him.

Once again simple advice to stop ragging on Mesa EFBs and look at the big picture goes completely over the JC Mafia's head and turns into a public attempt to dissect how one made it to their dream job.

Many on here clearly understand my message. You and a couple other continue to miss it. Statements like "I'm glad OBAP got him a job" and your continued assumptions of what I believe luck is back that up. Keep looking at things from a jaded and extremely limited view, and you will continue to wonder why not me. Darwinism at its finest moment.

 

[DE727UPS]

Every time you say "JC Mafia" I wonder who that is. Is it me?

 

[Nick]

Every time you say "JC Mafia" I wonder who that is. Is it me?

Furthermore, it dilutes the true meaning of the word 'mafia' and is a bit insulting to those JC'ers who are actually in a real-life mafia.

I'm not in the mafia, I just co-own a carpet cleaning business and a trash hauling company with my friend Rocco, but if I were, my feelings would be hurt.

 

[juxtapilot]

Once again simple advice to stop ragging on Mesa EFBs and look at the big picture goes completely over the JC Mafia's head and turns into a public attempt to dissect how one made it to their dream job.

Many on here clearly understand my message. You and a couple other continue to miss it. Statements like "I'm glad OBAP got him a job" and your continued assumptions of what I believe luck is back that up. Keep looking at things from a jaded and extremely limited view, and you will continue to wonder why not me. Darwinism at its finest moment.

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