SIDs and STARs

MidlifeFlyer

MidlifeFlyer

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Just curious: Is there any "code" in the name given to SIDs and STARs?

Example: I am at an unfamiliar airport with a number of SIDs. Some are obviously not going to be assigned to me because I' am heading northeast and the SID route is southeast. Is there anything in the naming convention itself that might tell me this without flipping through the charts?

(Yes, I know, just go to FltPlan,com and see what, if any, I am likely to be assigned ;))
 
Not that I'm aware of. I would always pull up all the available procedures, like you said, and find the one that makes the most sense for my departure route. Or, also like you said, let fltplan.com give the expected route. But it doesn't always advise.
 
LIDO (in EFB form) allows you to narrow down SIDs and STARs by either departing/arriving runway or quadrant (NE/SE/SW/NW). I don't think there is anything in the naming of a procedure though that will do that though.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Just curious: Is there any "code" in the name given to SIDs and STARs?
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There is no naming convention to SIDs or STARS that will give you any information pertaining to the direction, runway, or anything else related to the procedure. All the SIDs and STARs with which I am familiar derive their name from a fix on the procedure. In the case of a STAR that fix is usually the terminal (transition) fix, a fix that joins multiple inbound legs, or a fix at which outbound legs to different runways/approaches diverge. For a SID that fix is frequently a point of divergence for different transitions, or a common point to join the SID off different runways.
 
RDoug said:
There is no naming convention to SIDs or STARS that will give you any information pertaining to the direction, runway, or anything else related to the procedure. All the SIDs and STARs with which I am familiar derive their name from a fix on the procedure. In the case of a STAR that fix is usually the terminal (transition) fix, a fix that joins multiple inbound legs, or a fix at which outbound legs to different runways/approaches diverge. For a SID that fix is frequently a point of divergence for different transitions, or a common point to join the SID off different runways.
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The more I thought about it the more I realized you were right, although there are plenty of SIDS that are not named for a fix on the route.
 
BobDDuck said:
LIDO (in EFB form) allows you to narrow down SIDs and STARs by either departing/arriving runway or quadrant (NE/SE/SW/NW). I don't think there is anything in the naming of a procedure though that will do that though.
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Not a bad item to put on the wish list for some EFB apps.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
The more I thought about it the more I realized you were right, although there are plenty of SIDS that are not named for a fix on the route.
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I should have said "RNAV SIDs." I believe you'll find that to be the case with earlier NavAid-based SIDs more so than with current RNAV SIDs, but I could be wrong. When I worked at DMA we had the PANTANO and SILVERBELL SIDs. PANTANO was the name of a street in Tucson, and I have no idea where SILVERBELL came in. Here at ELP the ATKNN, JCOXX, LATVE, TDOWN, and NEVUE RNAV SIDs all have fixes by the same name in the procedure. Same is true for the BEAHR, HSKNS, MOLLY, SAMMR, and WAZKO STARs.
 
RDoug said:
I should have said "RNAV SIDs." I believe you'll find that to be the case with earlier NavAid-based SIDs more so than with current RNAV SIDs, but I could be wrong. When I worked at DMA we had the PANTANO and SILVERBELL SIDs. PANTANO was the name of a street in Tucson, and I have no idea where SILVERBELL came in. Here at ELP the ATKNN, JCOXX, LATVE, TDOWN, and NEVUE RNAV SIDs all have fixes by the same name in the procedure. Same is true for the BEAHR, HSKNS, MOLLY, SAMMR, and WAZKO STARs.
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@MikeD would know exactly, but there was a Silverbell practice area somewhere out there.
 
RDoug said:
I should have said "RNAV SIDs." I believe you'll find that to be the case with earlier NavAid-based SIDs more so than with current RNAV SIDs, but I could be wrong. When I worked at DMA we had the PANTANO and SILVERBELL SIDs. PANTANO was the name of a street in Tucson, and I have no idea where SILVERBELL came in. Here at ELP the ATKNN, JCOXX, LATVE, TDOWN, and NEVUE RNAV SIDs all have fixes by the same name in the procedure. Same is true for the BEAHR, HSKNS, MOLLY, SAMMR, and WAZKO STARs.
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Silverbell is also the name of a large mine northwest of Tucson.
 
If you have access to Jeppesen Charts, take a look at Greensboro, NC (KGSO). For some reason that airport has a 10-1S page that gives an overview of all SIDs / STARs to that airport - Basically, the airport is in the middle and it shows basic depiction of every departure's routing. Seems very helpful for flight planning.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Just curious: Is there any "code" in the name given to SIDs and STARs?

Example: I am at an unfamiliar airport with a number of SIDs. Some are obviously not going to be assigned to me because I' am heading northeast and the SID route is southeast. Is there anything in the naming convention itself that might tell me this without flipping through the charts?

(Yes, I know, just go to FltPlan,com and see what, if any, I am likely to be assigned ;))
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Like you, I just use the fltplan.com recently assigned clearances. I still screw it up sometimes, though. :)
 
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