Two Plane Crashes In A Lifetime

MikeD said:
Two crashes in a lifetime? There were helicopter pilots in Vietnam who were shot down twice or more in the same day. :)
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There's a hawker examiner at cae who was shot down 5 times in 'nam.

I had a friend in college who wrote off two airplanes and still got a job at a good airline.
 
killbilly said:
I don't really have the math skill to calculate probability, but I suspect that in the grand scheme of statistics, he's probably the SAFEST passenger imaginable to take with you.

How astronomical are the odds that he'd be in 3 crashes? (assuming no one is shooting at you, @MikeD)

(tongue planted firmly in cheek, if the sarcasm detector fails)
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Sort of "World according to Garp" logic? :)



To be honest, I would probably be inclined to think that someone that had been in a single crash would be highly unlikely to be involved in another, and "yeah, this guy is the safest guy to fly with"

However, after the second crash I would be more inclined to believe the guy was just cursed, rather then think "Two crashes, what are the chances of three?"
 
JeppUpdater said:
Poor 9505. Survived a mid-air, a couple of Texas twisters, and a pilot who skipped out on-deicing. She's had a few sets of wings, still flies a little crooked, but I'm with you - I trust that plane to bring me home every time.

Quite the history for a plane that once featured prominently in a Cessna ad in Flying magazine prior to delivery!

https://books.google.com/books?id=yxzExyESdvsC&pg=PT1&lpg=PT1&dq=cessna cubic feat&source=bl&ots=UeQsH58W90&sig=LWOwUtANCOTNlZ3c_pOm0oZX41U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KRCaVNmEBoKfggSS44KIBw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=cessna cubic feat&f=false
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Here is the damage from the microburst in DRT
 

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MikeD said:
Two crashes in a lifetime? There were helicopter pilots in Vietnam who were shot down twice or more in the same day. :)
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terdferg23 said:
If you can't decide you've had enough at the point your 172 is being chased down by tornadoes you're an idiot!
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Different times back then... No onboard Wx radar or nexrad. No strike finder etc... One radio, and NDBs for navigation. And if ATC's ability to provide low-level Wx help in some of those areas is anything like it is these days, it was probably next to nothing. So you can imagine that it wouldn't be too hard to get caught in some crap. I remember flying from STL to MSY one night and I could see lighting in front of us from about our 9 to our 2 o clock. I asked ATC for help picking our way around the worst of it and they refused.
 
X-Forces said:
Sort of "World according to Garp" logic? :)



To be honest, I would probably be inclined to think that someone that had been in a single crash would be highly unlikely to be involved in another, and "yeah, this guy is the safest guy to fly with"

However, after the second crash I would be more inclined to believe the guy was just cursed, rather then think "Two crashes, what are the chances of three?"
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I had 2 engine failures before I reached 1500 hours flying single-engine pistons. Neither resulted in damage/injury/or loss of life. Does that make me lucky or unlucky?
 
USMCmech said:
At Martinaire we had a plane that had been wrecked and rebuilt FOUR TIMES. It had been tossed by a microburst in Del Rio, ate a goose outside OKC, and was hit on the ramp by a street sweeper whose driver had fallen asleep at the wheel. I can't remember what the 4th one was.

I couldn't decide if it had some bad juju on it or if it was unkillable. I choose to believe the latter.

@JeppUpdater , is 9505B still there?
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That sounds like every 207 in Alaska.
 
chrisreedrules said:
I had 2 engine failures before I reached 1500 hours flying single-engine pistons. Neither resulted in damage/injury/or loss of life. Does that make me lucky or unlucky?
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Well, if you instructed for any length of time I would say it probably makes you somewhat average. I have had 3 partial and 1 total engine failures, 2 resulted in emergency landings.Not a crash though, however I guess any of the situations could have just as easily resulted in one.

I never put them into the "Crash" category. To me it was just par for the course.
 
I love that this has turned in to a freightcock contest, somehow. But I'm puzzled by the fact that the mighty MU-2 has yet to be even mentioned. We all know that the biggest dicks flew the Mitsi. I mean, is that even in question? Damned thing is trying to kill you stiting still on the ramp, am I right?
 
X-Forces said:
Well, if you instructed for any length of time I would say it probably makes you somewhat average. I have had 3 partial and 1 total engine failures, 2 resulted in emergency landings.Not a crash though, however I guess any of the situations could have just as easily resulted in one.

I never put them into the "Crash" category. To me it was just par for the course.
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I have over 3000 dual given, and never had an engine failure.
 
mojo6911 said:
I have over 3000 dual given, and never had an engine failure.
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Dick Collins, The Next Hour - The Most Important Hour In Your Logbook.
I've always felt as if I've accomplished a lot after having landed. I know however I still have to prepare myself for the next time I go back up.

My CFI has put two down in less than four years. . .none of which were pilot error. I will fly with them anytime.
 
mojo6911 said:
I have over 3000 dual given, and never had an engine failure.
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My first was when I had 300 hours. I was flying what I will call, "a temperamental 182" flying skydivers for a local DZ. Kicked the divers out around 10K, engine quit shortly thereafter. On the way down my boss yelled at me for taking too long to get down.

My second was pretty scary. Flying a 210 in the mountains of Taos/Angel Fire, NM. Flying along for about 30 mins in cruise and then sudden loss of power. No prior indicators, nothing... Just happened. We were at about 1500 to 2000 AGL and had to make some quick decisions. Put it in a snow-covered field and landed about 10 feet past a hidden ditch and stopped about 20 feet before a stream. Managed to miss every hidden prairie dog hole along the way too. Talk about lucky. No airplane damage and no injuries. Took rescue almost an hour to get to us.
 
chrisreedrules said:
My first was when I had 300 hours. I was flying what I will call, "a temperamental 182" flying skydivers for a local DZ. Kicked the divers out around 10K, engine quit shortly thereafter. On the way down my boss yelled at me for taking too long to get down.

My second was pretty scary. Flying a 210 in the mountains of Taos/Angel Fire, NM. Flying along for about 30 mins in cruise and then sudden loss of power. No prior indicators, nothing... Just happened. We were at about 1500 to 2000 AGL and had to make some quick decisions. Put it in a snow-covered field and landed about 10 feet past a hidden ditch and stopped about 20 feet before a stream. Managed to miss every hidden prairie dog hole along the way too. Talk about lucky. No airplane damage and no injuries. Took rescue almost an hour to get to us.
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Out of curiosity were these bona fide hole in the crank case failures or something more obscure like fuel supply/ignition?
 
Roger Roger said:
Out of curiosity were these bona fide hole in the crank case failures or something more obscure like fuel supply/ignition?
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That particular 182 was notorious for runaway prop issues and it had been giving me trouble all day. I was too inexperienced/eager to know I should of just walked away from that job. My second to last hop is when it happened. Governor just completely crapped out and oil splattered all over my windshield. Couldn't get the prop under control and finally the engine died.

The 210 was a fuel divider issue. There is a known issue with the fuel dividers in the turbo 210s (among a sleuth of other issues). It was a critical failure and starved the engine of fuel pretty quick. I could fill a book with my horror stories from that trip. I took that same plane out on my last trip with that company and had lots of issues again. We just didn't get along.
 
X-Forces said:
Well, if you instructed for any length of time I would say it probably makes you somewhat average. I have had 3 partial and 1 total engine failures, 2 resulted in emergency landings.Not a crash though, however I guess any of the situations could have just as easily resulted in one.

I never put them into the "Crash" category. To me it was just par for the course.
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Not really, in my experience.
 
Boris Badenov said:
I love that this has turned in to a freightcock contest, somehow. But I'm puzzled by the fact that the mighty MU-2 has yet to be even mentioned. We all know that the biggest dicks flew the Mitsi. I mean, is that even in question? Damned thing is trying to kill you stiting still on the ramp, am I right?
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Not on my account. I have never flown a single hour of freight. However, since I am the 6'4'' black guy in the room, it was never really much of a contest...............Whitey!! ;):D
 
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