Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
tl:dr: "Thanks for the RJs."If you don't like RJ's, then keep your scope clause!
tl:dr: "Thanks for the RJs."If you don't like RJ's, then keep your scope clause!
I'm speaking hypotheticaly, but you bring up a good point. Mesa was supposedly launch customer for the CRJ and most (all?) are still not paid off. That was the whole point of the go! debacle -- flying in Hawaii was supposed to lose less money than parking them.
And the economy tanked too.
Don't feel too bad for yourself. You stayed employed while some of us were forced into finishing school.
Im okay with $15 bblYour perspective is limited to the last few years, so you consider $60/bbl oil to be low. It's not. When the CRJs were first rolling out and starting to find a market in short-haul and long, thin markets, oil was at $15/bbl. Pre-bankruptcy, the majors were starting to panic when oil hit $30/bbl. It's only in the post-bankruptcy world, after the airlines have completely restructured and shed pension obligations, that $60/bbl oil is profitable on even the small narrowbody fleets. It still isn't profitable on the small RJs. A 76 seat RJ may be breaking even or barely churning out a tiny profit on the best routes at these prices, and a 90 seater is doing okay. But a 50 seater is a still a dog. Oil really needs to be below $30/bbl with a reasonable crack spread in order to make the 50 seaters attractive. In other words, it'll never happen again.
How many 50 seaters are still flying out there? Who's got em? AWAC...?
Last I heard we were actually picking up some -200s. Fuel is only one part of the picture, operating-cost-wise. And something will be replacing (not 1 to 1, but you get the idea) the Brasilia.There are actually many 50 seat RJs out there. Their death was highly exaggerated.
ExpressJet has over 200 ERJs and 80CRJ200s.
Eagle(Envoy) has over 100ERJs.
Skywest has over 100CRJ 200s.
Transtates and PSA both have em too.
There are actually many 50 seat RJs out there. Their death was highly exaggerated.
ExpressJet has over 200 ERJs and 80CRJ200s.
Eagle(Envoy) has over 100ERJs.
Skywest has over 100CRJ 200s.
Transtates and PSA both have em too.
If they weren't making money with the things I suspect these companies would have beer-canned them long ago then. Companies don't just lose money for fun, they would have bought new machines much quicker if they'd been losing a lot of money, or they'd be out of business.
Strange as it may seem, it's not unprofitable for us to run ours, last I looked. Shocking, isn't it?You can't "beer-can" something for which you have a lease obligation. Running them at a loss is usually less of a loss than having them sit still while continuing to make lease payments.
Strange as it may seem, it's not unprofitable for us to run ours, last I looked. Shocking, isn't it?
Strange as it may seem, it's not unprofitable for us to run ours, last I looked. Shocking, isn't it?
Skywest might make profits on the 200s but that doesn't mean United and Delta make profits on themStrange as it may seem, it's not unprofitable for us to run ours, last I looked. Shocking, isn't it?
True, but they fly many 200s at risk, i.e. not fee for departure.Skywest might make profits on the 200s but that doesn't mean United and Delta make profits on them
I do not at present work for Delta Air Lines, Inc. or United Airlines.Skywest might make profits on the 200s but that doesn't mean United and Delta make profits on them
Autothrust Blue said:I do not at present work for Delta Air Lines, Inc. or United Airlines.
The words "at risk" mean that we are responsible to make money on it, not them.If the mainline partner can't make money with it, then it's a useless airframe.
The words "at risk" mean that we are responsible to make money on it, not them.
We do.