Very much on the right track with this comment.
Nope he isn't.
The comparison to the U.S. maritime industry always generates fear and uncertainty therefore we must believe the same thing will happen to the U.S. airline industry. I can't buy the comparison and I definitely do not buy the argument.
Opinion noted. Opinion disregarded. I do buy the comparison
True the U.S. maritime industry declined, but did it really decline because of "flags of convenience"?
Yes
Perhaps it really declined because it was protected and became non-competitive. How many people on this board or any of the others know about the monopolistic nature that the U.S. shipping industry operated under. How many know how the U.S. shipping industry had their hands tied by the Shipping Act and various other laws passed by Congress dating back to Civil War times?
If you really want to go there, if anyone had a 'monopolistic nature' on the shipping industry it would be the British, Greek, and Dutch. The US was a player, but it was smaller compared to the other three.
Do a little research for yourselves. ALPA is once again leading a charge that will only hurt U.S. airline pilots in the long run. Low cost international carriers are coming. There is no way that ALPA is going to stop them. Trying the protectionist route is only going to hurt everybody over the long run, just as it did with RJs.
Low cost carriers are the 'next' RJ battle. Also, how will this hurt U.S. airline pilots? You are the one saying on APC on how 'unless you have a pension, retired, etc.' stay with a U.S. Legacy and don't go overseas. Folks are bailing Emirates for airlines here in the United States. From Spirit to Delta folks are coming back home to fly for U.S. Airlines. If ALPA allows these carriers to come
THAT will hurt U.S. Airline pilots. You are even agreeing that folks should come back here to fly. If they do and we can't protect these legacy jobs, where does that leave us?
It is actually laughable that they are trying to call Norwegian low pay as an issue.
They make around $100,000 less than the 787 guys at my place so I would consider that a low pay item in the larger issue.
This while South American, African, Eastern European, and other carriers have been serving the U.S. for decades with substantially lower pay than Norwegian offers. That argument totally fails the logic test.
Last time I checked, Aeroloft isn't providing service from LGW to FLL with a base out of BKK crewed using a SIN agency.
Then pilots go on to assert that Irish regulators will somehow be incompetent in their oversight and this will reduce safety. Pretty bold calling a first world country's aviation regulator out like that.
Well, the Irish are even concerned about the Flag of Connivence scheme.
http://www.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/PressRoom/PressReleases/2014/2-12-14_14.15.htm
http://www.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/PressRoom/PressReleases/2014/2-12-14_14.15.htm
Below is the important point that needs to be reiterated
“Today’s announcement that Ireland has granted an air operator’s certificate to Norwegian Air International raises the key air safety question of how the Irish government will exercise its oversight responsibility when NAI never actually operates to or through Ireland,” said Capt. Lee Moak, ALPA’s president. “The Irish Air Accident Investigation Unit itself has cited the adverse effect of such a business model on a government’s ability to perform adequate safety oversight.” Part of the Irish Department of Transport, Tourism, and Sport, the Air Accident Investigation Unit cited its concern in its formal report on a February 2011 fatal airline accident at Cork Airport, which involved a company with a Spanish AOC operating a Spanish-registered aircraft that did not operate to or through Spain.
Yet, it's okay for Air India to serve the States. I'd be more scared of them, not a European owned, run, and regulated airline.
I agree with you there.
Guys, do some thinking for yourselves. U.S. carriers are going to have to adapt to the changing marketplace to survive.
So are you saying airlines should be heavily subsidized here in the United States like the Middle East Carriers are? Should we threaten to start denying Visas to foreign nationals from Middle East countries if their countries don't allow more slots at Middle East Airports?
They have done it time and again. Did SWA kill the U.S. majors? Did Spirit, Allegiant, JetBlue? Is Azul's new international flying going to destroy yields in South America?
Is SWA based in a foreign country? What about Allegiant or Jetblue? Last time I checked Azul is based in Brazil. Right?
Norwegian is stimulating demand for new passengers, passengers that are coming to the USA on vacation. Just as Allegiant and Spirit stimulate demand for more passengers in their markets. Good for our economy to have more tourists, isn't it? That translates to more Americans able to take vacations using airlines for the travel, which in turn equals more revenue for U.S. carriers. Then you have the fact that they are buying Boeing 787s at a couple hundred million a piece adding a lot of revenue into our economy. Again, that equals more Americans travelling on U.S. carriers.
Typhoonpilot
If Norwegian wants to stimulate demand then why don't they play by the same rules everyone else does? Other airlines are doing it. Why doesn't NAI?
