KSCessnaDriver
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It's not even sick calls in some bases. There are bases where it's scheduled to be contracted out now.
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It's not even sick calls in some bases. There are bases where it's scheduled to be contracted out now.
z987k
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I wonder if the training department has convinced them it's the pilots and not the training dept.
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Are you kidding me? Of course they have convinced management it's the pilots. Why would it be the low time pilots that bark orders and profiles from the comfort of a chair? Haha!
spitfire5181
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FO in what aircraft? Pretty sure if you're going to pay you can go anywhere. Not too sure about captains though. Honestly seems like we can use pilots at every base.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
It is a hub. Schedules will suck. You will be flying the back side of the clock nearly 100% of the time.
KSCessnaDriver
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If you've got turbine time, probably not too difficult to get SDF, it's all 1900/227. That said, it's not something that's fun, the schedules suck.
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Had anyone else noticed the irony behind this thread? The same 6-8 people come on here and rag on AMF, while the same 3 people defend it.
You guys all seem so enjoy talking about perspective; for those of you who haven't been through a training event in the past year to 6 months at the actual "mothership," I would encourage you to look at the changes being implemented.
New hires are now being given an extra week of training for IFR/TERPS training, CPTs, and fundamentals. Additional sims have also been built into the program (since January). A real director of safety is being implemented, as is a new director of training.
Like any flight school or other 135 I've ever trained at, AMF has different instructors with different training approaches and personalities. As a student, I knew which style of instruction worked best for me, which the better instructors were keen on understanding/identifying.... All of the current AMF instructors seem to be adept at identifying /implimenting this, and seem to show a lot of patience/coaching.
As of the last few classes, the balance has tipped towards more students resigning on their own, as opposed to being "washed" out of training. The company (and the training dept) understands that the company isn't for everyone, no one is pushed out the door.
As for the chest thumping egomaniacs in the dept, well, I have yet to really see that. The instructors do expect a lot out of the trainees by the end of their sims, but not anything that isn't unreasonable. The trainees have to posssess the beginnings of a captain mentality prior to being sent out for line training, where as a regional FO trainee has years to observe and learn. That being said, the dept does a good job at presenting (and coaching new hires through) scenarios they may face. They test it too, to see if
Learning and comprehension has occured.
Instructors ragging on students... that is a whole different can of worms: the instructors make fun of themselves and behaviors of EVERYONE in the same way any human would make light of a situation. They discuss the progress and training of all students (being both the strong areas and those that need improvement). If a student/trainee walks into the instructor/training office, they won't talk about that student, or name names as to who they're debriefing another instructor on. As for making fun of anyone, it's generally towards a behavior, but in a satirical manner that doesn't describe any individual in particular. If a student walKS in and misunderstands this, then low and behold, "the instructors were talking sh##t." I could go on and on about this, but I think this is something that isn't even worth refuting, as things will be taken out of context and twisted. That being said, I think it's highly unprofessional to discuss the progress/nature of others training in front of others that aren't relevant to the training event (i.e. other instructors, and not in the vicinity of students or other line pilots).
Lastly, your time at AMF is what you make of it: Wanna spend all day crying about your schedule sucking ass, about f'd up airplanes, or about not being ATP/type rated after being in the cheiftain for 3 months? Fine, that is completely your right as an American citizen, but do something about it - bid for a different airplane/run, ask to go tdy, request to be a training captain, hell, email the chief pilot with your concerns. What's the point of complaining for the sake of complaining?
All of this being said, there are things here I would like to see changed, but I also have a limited perspective, and I try not to let it anchor me down. Take it for what it is, if you want to hone in on your fundamental instrument and flying skills, PIC mentality, have a great learning experience, and get paid decently (for your first few years at a professional company), then come to AMF.
If there are any typos in here, I apologize, as my hands have not been calibrated for this tablet.. fingers are probably too slippery from all of the Kool aid residue
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You guys all seem so enjoy talking about perspective; for those of you who haven't been through a training event in the past year to 6 months at the actual "mothership," I would encourage you to look at the changes being implemented.
New hires are now being given an extra week of training for IFR/TERPS training, CPTs, and fundamentals. Additional sims have also been built into the program (since January). A real director of safety is being implemented, as is a new director of training.
Like any flight school or other 135 I've ever trained at, AMF has different instructors with different training approaches and personalities. As a student, I knew which style of instruction worked best for me, which the better instructors were keen on understanding/identifying.... All of the current AMF instructors seem to be adept at identifying /implimenting this, and seem to show a lot of patience/coaching.
As of the last few classes, the balance has tipped towards more students resigning on their own, as opposed to being "washed" out of training. The company (and the training dept) understands that the company isn't for everyone, no one is pushed out the door.
As for the chest thumping egomaniacs in the dept, well, I have yet to really see that. The instructors do expect a lot out of the trainees by the end of their sims, but not anything that isn't unreasonable. The trainees have to posssess the beginnings of a captain mentality prior to being sent out for line training, where as a regional FO trainee has years to observe and learn. That being said, the dept does a good job at presenting (and coaching new hires through) scenarios they may face. They test it too, to see if
Learning and comprehension has occured.
Instructors ragging on students... that is a whole different can of worms: the instructors make fun of themselves and behaviors of EVERYONE in the same way any human would make light of a situation. They discuss the progress and training of all students (being both the strong areas and those that need improvement). If a student/trainee walks into the instructor/training office, they won't talk about that student, or name names as to who they're debriefing another instructor on. As for making fun of anyone, it's generally towards a behavior, but in a satirical manner that doesn't describe any individual in particular. If a student walKS in and misunderstands this, then low and behold, "the instructors were talking sh##t." I could go on and on about this, but I think this is something that isn't even worth refuting, as things will be taken out of context and twisted. That being said, I think it's highly unprofessional to discuss the progress/nature of others training in front of others that aren't relevant to the training event (i.e. other instructors, and not in the vicinity of students or other line pilots).
Lastly, your time at AMF is what you make of it: Wanna spend all day crying about your schedule sucking ass, about f'd up airplanes, or about not being ATP/type rated after being in the cheiftain for 3 months? Fine, that is completely your right as an American citizen, but do something about it - bid for a different airplane/run, ask to go tdy, request to be a training captain, hell, email the chief pilot with your concerns. What's the point of complaining for the sake of complaining?
All of this being said, there are things here I would like to see changed, but I also have a limited perspective, and I try not to let it anchor me down. Take it for what it is, if you want to hone in on your fundamental instrument and flying skills, PIC mentality, have a great learning experience, and get paid decently (for your first few years at a professional company), then come to AMF.
If there are any typos in here, I apologize, as my hands have not been calibrated for this tablet.. fingers are probably too slippery from all of the Kool aid residue
.Jason Welsh
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Hate to hijack the thread, but I'm going to for just a second. Anybody know if the Ameriflight offices at DFW are accessible without going through a gate? I'd like to personally drop my resume by there but don't want to waste the trip if I can't get to the door.
Thanks!
JW
Thanks!
JW
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Kudos to everything you said, and I hope you're right for all future pilots' sake. Yes I am one of the ones continually rag on AMF. That is because there are a multitude of issues with the company still, whether you choose to see it or not. Then again, I don't work there, I just talk to friends who work there. The ONLY thing I will challenge you on, is the trainee "resignation" thing. When you tell somebody they need to resign or they will be terminated, that isn't leaving on their own accord. I personally knew a few guys who were "asked" to resign. Nobody in training willfully resigned, but rather was told the training had come to an end, and they were to be given a checkride, which they would probably fail. So sure in that case, the trainee has no choice. I have never heard of another company doing that, ever.
They are, but make sure you turn in an electronic copy (so recruiting has it too). Try to see if you can make an appointment with the Dallas assistant chief pilot (call the general number on the website for Dallas, they'll help you out).
Good luck! (Feel free to PM me if you have any questions)
I haven't seen so much of this since my time here, I've seen them extend out training cycles and switch training captains to see if it assists with training.
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Cool, I am wrong and off base then. What happened to 60% of the ABQ pilots from the company AMF acquired again?
snOOp
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Im really sure AMF did not acquire anything close to 60% of the ABQ pilot group.
Not quite sure where they all went to, but great people for sure. A few went to MedEvac though, since New Mexico is not shy of air ambulance companies.
I can't speak for the bro, but I can say that every trainee who does not perform up to standards for that specific event has been given extra time and lessons. There isn't a ritualistic Aztec style sacrifice of trainees, contrary to popular opinion.
The department is only capable of extending itself so far with the resources and amount of other trainees, and each individual is made aware of the lesson's goals and standards for completion. Even after numerous additional lessons (be it CPTs, ground, Sims, online or offline training, etc...), if a trainee is not making progress, everything is reevaluated. This is no different that what the regionals offer, in fact, it's highly generous in comparison to the other 135 operators I've seen.
The glorious 60% pass (or fail) rate numbers are just a figure. Every class produces different numbers. Even a regional airline training events will mirror this. I don't think it's a fair assessment to say "individuals are either forced to resign or are fired, period." I can tell you that's not the case for the large majority of those who resign.
As for the ABQ group, I don't know, you tell me what the latest rumor is. Obviously it's more factual than anything an actual source would say. AMF didn't get that many South Aero Pilots to begin with who wanted to switch. The ones that came over all made it to the line with the exception of maybe 20%?
The department is only capable of extending itself so far with the resources and amount of other trainees, and each individual is made aware of the lesson's goals and standards for completion. Even after numerous additional lessons (be it CPTs, ground, Sims, online or offline training, etc...), if a trainee is not making progress, everything is reevaluated. This is no different that what the regionals offer, in fact, it's highly generous in comparison to the other 135 operators I've seen.
The glorious 60% pass (or fail) rate numbers are just a figure. Every class produces different numbers. Even a regional airline training events will mirror this. I don't think it's a fair assessment to say "individuals are either forced to resign or are fired, period." I can tell you that's not the case for the large majority of those who resign.
As for the ABQ group, I don't know, you tell me what the latest rumor is. Obviously it's more factual than anything an actual source would say. AMF didn't get that many South Aero Pilots to begin with who wanted to switch. The ones that came over all made it to the line with the exception of maybe 20%?
snOOp
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There's rumors about the ABQ group? Thought it was pretty straight forward unless its internal rumors.