Sad Realization

Boyington said:
It is easy to imagine how something is, but until you experience it, you really don't know. That was my point. I will listen to the people who have flown AMF and 121. They have the experience and know the differences. This is just like the Boy Scouts saying that they are just as good as Marines. I can hear the arguments now...we both wear uniforms, sleep in tents, and eat terrible food. The only difference is that the Marines kill people, and the Boy Scouts don't. So, they are mostly the same!!! (sarcasm, of course - but this is equally as ridiculous as your argument. Unless you have done both and can compare them, then you are just speculating)

How is AMF different than the other part 135 cargo carriers? Subair, Air Cargo, Wiggins, Mountain, etc.... I have not flown for them, but I do not consider them to be any better or worse than AMF.
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Interesting analogy! :)

I think @z987k is the only one in the thread that's done both.
 
In my new hire class at Alaska there is a wide variety of experience, probably the most diverse I've ever seen. Guys from JetSuite..Great Lakes...Express Jet...Compass...JetBlue..Horizon...and a couple from135 operators that I've never heard of until now. Id say only have of the class has any Turbine PIC. In my opinion Alaska is hiring guys from every walk of aviation life and they said to expect hiring to continue WELL into next year at 20 a month.
 
SmoothLanderJ said:
In my new hire class at Alaska there is a wide variety of experience, probably the most diverse I've ever seen. Guys from JetSuite..Great Lakes...Express Jet...Compass...JetBlue..Horizon...and a couple from135 operators that I've never heard of until now. Id say only have of the class has any Turbine PIC. In my opinion Alaska is hiring guys from every walk of aviation life and they said to expect hiring to continue WELL into next year at 20 a month.
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Is there a guy from Ryan Air in Alaska?
 
If you firmly believe that you are a trained monkey as a 121 FO, you might not be doing your job.

This remains a thinking man's ball game, especially now that we're all PIC typed and therefore have no excuses available for poor performance.
 
Funny how no one has mentioned the importance of a (real) college degree, how well you speak, how you present, your physical appearance, etc. As soon as you walk in the door the first thing the HR people imagine is you in their company uniform and how you represent the company to the passengers.

They know you can fly, but that's not what 121 is all about. I know many very skilled pilots who never made the big time because they were simply 'too proletarian.'

Polish is important.
 
CK said:
Unfortunately for you I read his post as "We pay 'em well pay 'em poor they are still going to leave you". So that means pay cuts, pay cuts for everyone*! *And a raise for me for saving the company money. Alex.
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Cut his pay and give me a raise. Sounds good to me!
 
gliderboy said:
Funny how no one has mentioned the importance of a (real) college degree, how well you speak, how you present, your physical appearance, etc. As soon as you walk in the door the first thing the HR people imagine is you in their company uniform and how you represent the company to the passengers.

They know you can fly, but that's not what 121 is all about. I know many very skilled pilots who never made the big time because they were simply 'too proletarian.'

Polish is important.
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General height/weight standards and a physical fitness test to pass as part of the interview process. Another good weed out! D.O.R Mayo!!!
 
Boyington said:
Subair, Air Cargo, Wiggins, Mountain, etc.... I have not flown for them, but I do not consider them to be any better or worse than AMF.
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Dunno bout the other ones, but I flew for Subair. They're WAY better than AMF, at least as far as I can tell. At least in the ways that actually matter. I mean, I worked my balls off for them, but they paid me something like 75% more than AMF guys got for the same airplane. And they always, always had safety as the first priority. That's still the only (freight) place I remember saying "Yeah, I think I can get through it, boss, no problem" and being told "How bout you just sit there anyway".
 
Inverted said:
I swear I am not trying to rag on you, but how did you think that flying 135 prop freight would qualify you for the left seat of a corporate jet?
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In his defence, there seems to be this aura that AMF guys are superior aviators. Single pilot IFR is no joke. I did it flying pax for just over 1000hrs in a Chieftain. And then a short stint with boxes. But it ain't that hard.
 
mshunter said:
In his defence, there seems to be this aura that AMF guys are superior aviators. Single pilot IFR is no joke. I did it flying pax for just over 1000hrs in a Chieftain. And then a short stint with boxes. But it ain't that hard.
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Another 5 pages by tomorrow now....:cool:
 
Trip7 said:
135 to a major is possible but not nearly as common as regional to major. Going to get 121 time is still the quickest and most efficient way to the majors.
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KLB said:
That's a fair assessment.
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Agreed. I've seen 135 background guys make it to the majors, but fewer and more far between than 121 guys. Maybe a function of less trying or less applying in comparison to 121 guys, but still this assessment holds true nonetheless from what I've observed. Even military, while it's great training and experience, isn't an efficient way to get to the majors merely due to the active duty service committment of 10 years, which comes out to about 11 or so post-training; or if you go directly to the reserves, time-building is so slow it takes about the same amount of years.
 
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Trip7 said:
135 to a major is possible but not nearly as common as regional to major. Going to get 121 time is still the quickest and most efficient way to the majors.
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Yep, and as a 135 guy I know, and realize that. Also, it seems based on who I am seeing go to the majors that it is 135 jet guys going, not prop freight drivers.
 
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