Avalon781ML
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United flies EWR- BOS/IAD with mainline metal. Length shouldn't be a factor. We fly full darn near every leg... 162 out of 166 available is the average.
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Avalon781ML
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How does one get "crapped on" if you know what you are getting into before you accept the job? I've worked for companies where I've been "crapped on" and while certainly this place isn't United or American it is heads and shoulders better than where I was prior to working for AAY. I'm sorry we don't measure up to your standard.... I'm quite glad you and so many other people despise this place... how is it working for Alask... oh... wait.
Perhaps you make that little if you are only making guarantee.... but I'd wager most people are crediting ~90 hours a month. Non-commutable? I commute every day... I drive to work and then I drive home. Yes we don't do 4 day trips... then again... we aren't an airline. Don't like our bases? Great! Don't come here and be miserable!
Yes we do.... LAS/LAX to HNL year round. Seasonally we also do BLI, EUG, GEG, SAN, and I believe SCK.
I'm my humble opinion I'd rather tread water at Allegiant hoping for UPS/FDX/DAL etc to call than hang out at AMF or any other regional for that matter.... everyone and their brother has a CL65/EMB145 type... can't say the same for DC9/A320/B75/76.
I'm having fun! I get to fly airplanes, wink at the ladies, and work with some pretty cool people. My paycheck cashes and more people continue to get hired. I think over 150 this year alone which is almost 40% of the pre hiring pilot group.My personal take is that it makes more sense for an AMF guy to go there if they can't badger their way into what they want. Spirit, Frontier, and JetBlue would probably be better though. I'd say 80% of the pilots here now have 3000 hours or less, so that probably wouldn't happen. Allegiant, at the very least, does what the regionals do. Checks the box. More-so being a heavy jet I'd say though.
How do you like it there @Avalon781ML ?
You can PM me if you want.
It was nice meeting you the other day.
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Sol Rosenburg
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they'd probably have to dedicate way too many hours a week to keep the thing reasonably up to date
Amen!
How do I put this nicely? It seems like most of your posts dedicated to this thread are slobbery with duche. Although to be fair, you're not the only one.
I happen to enjoy my job and the people I work with. Thank you for reminding every person that says something relevant about AMF that we're constantly taking it in the piss hole.
Why not just state worthwhile facts as opposed to opinionated statements and let everyone else make their own judgment?
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I think it comes from a place of watching constant SJS comments from people not in the know. Unfortunately AMF is a tiny microclimate in that regard. The mass majority of people always "know a guys who knows a guy who met a guy" and that often equates to little factual information. I'm not talking smack about Allegiant, but I'm not going to call it a major either. I think it's fantastic that they offer a stepping stone for those wanting to move onto bigger and better things, after all, that's what we all want. The equipment is the biggest draw there for sure. And AMF pilots wold be a fantastic addition to Allegiant without a doubt.
The amount of industry misinformation I hear from old friends at AMF is almost on a comical level. Nobody looks at the industry objectively, but more from a privileged point of view. And they are most of the time inaccurate and ignorant to life outside of AMF. I am not sure of other freight companies are like that. I just don't know anyone from other freight companies, just AMF.
Capt. Chaos
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Who was in N673AV in KTN today? I think that took the record for the slowest taxi ever.
Tommay85
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I'm not sure it's actually a misperception. I think most look at the industry quite extensively. I do think most at AMF think we're better than 99% of the regional guys out there. I have a hard time disagreeing with that, and I think you would too, about freight dogs in general as well. I think the delusion starts with thinking that the big three pax and FedEx/UPS will ever take notice or care.
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I disagree 100%! Better at what? Scud running? NDB approaches? Flying a Metro? Who gives a flying. What does that get you in the real world? So we were the single pilot IFR multi-turbine PIC masters, who cares? So we can brag years later in the crew lounge to guys who could care less? So United can hire us into the 747 because the relevant experience is so similar? What makes an AMF pilot better than a CRJ pilot? The regionals are shipping pilots to the majors, where as AMF is sending nobody to the majors right now. Freight looks good on a resume to show somebody that they can fly, but I have flown with just as many ex regional or commuter guys in jet charter as I have AMF or freight guys. Hell at my last jet charter job I was almost beat out by a regional guy, and my AMF experience was not the tipping point. So again, where is this "better" getting anyone, are freight guys really better? I don't see the evidence.
I have flown with guys that have zero freight experience and they are amazing pilots. I have also flown with ex AMF guys that are horrible in a true 2 crew CRM environment and they have the ego to make it worse. I don't understand where the elitism comes from in freight flying... It is a skill set that not everyone possess I will agree with that, but flying a 600mph jet takes skills as well. If AMF indoc and training was carried out the same way as a 121 program, or 142 initial, the pass rate would be the same between the 3.
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Tommay85
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It's not about about chest thumping or the cowboy non-sense(which is just about done with now, there's 2 guys in SLC that I know of that still do the Salmon BS still). It's about doing the EXACT same job, sometimes 3, as a 121 guy, with less support but the exact same coordination required to depart on time. 3 different mindsets. (I'll fly the Metro by myself, Brasilia left seat and then the right seat in the span of two days or less)@KLB
I think the Metro is a cool airplane and more interesting than the 1900. That is where the ribbing stops between those two.
Maybe it's because I think those 99% do the bare minimum each day. We're running at a 98% effectiveness rate. Yes, I've seen ALL of the AMF delays in a given week. It's not due to anyone else except the pilots. No other airline touches that number. Even other freight companies.
It's been also pointed out before that the majority don't meet the mins or competitive mins. The majority of the pilot group doesn't even have 3000 hours. Of course they're not going to Delta...
I think the Metro is a cool airplane and more interesting than the 1900. That is where the ribbing stops between those two.
Maybe it's because I think those 99% do the bare minimum each day. We're running at a 98% effectiveness rate. Yes, I've seen ALL of the AMF delays in a given week. It's not due to anyone else except the pilots. No other airline touches that number. Even other freight companies.
It's been also pointed out before that the majority don't meet the mins or competitive mins. The majority of the pilot group doesn't even have 3000 hours. Of course they're not going to Delta...
KSCessnaDriver
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Heck I have 500 hours in the 1900 but still less than 1200 fixed wing. That is a crazy thing to think about
What's the salmon BS ?
Tommay85
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I'm trying to remember. Did you used to fly blimps/derigibles?
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Taking a wild stab, but my guess is that is a reference to the Salmon ID run?
Tommay85
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Flying up that river "VFR" when it would be 100% safer to go above the clouds and come in the other way. Maybe it's not like that every day. Either way, I wasn't impressed at all with the reckless nature of that base in general when I was there. That was 2 years ago and it sounds like most of that crap is done.
z987k
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What other way? There was no other way.
eightballfreight
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Whoa, let's back up. There are no metrics to compare small freight guys to any other kind of pilots so let's not try.
I've done a lot of illegal chit to keep the schedule integrity and fibbed on numbers and times. That doesn't fly in the 121 world of what I'm sure is electronically monitored and relies on a whole host of different people from different teams.
I've done a lot of illegal chit to keep the schedule integrity and fibbed on numbers and times. That doesn't fly in the 121 world of what I'm sure is electronically monitored and relies on a whole host of different people from different teams.
Ah I see.
I haven't done that run yet.
What other reckless things of nature did you see?
Tommay85
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No way to say without implying certain names. Just going to say that the other bases are just as IFR and some even as mountainous without the "attitude".
Reckless may be harsh. I was under the impression that the better and safer alternative was never sought out though.
Reckless may be harsh. I was under the impression that the better and safer alternative was never sought out though.