Endeavor Hiring

[bronco21016]

On the bright side, if you participate in the 401K, you're fees are about to go down.

Hiring is exacerbated, the secret is out, if Delta is going to do something this winter will be big moment. Time to get creative Delta, or... just... you know... do what you promised.

I don't see Delta making any big moves until the 200s are completely gone but what do I know.

Apparently the rumor around the school house is that the negotiators have been called back in. I thought they would give the EtD a little more time but 4 hires is pretty bad.

 

[jynxyjoe]

I don't see Delta making any big moves until the 200s are completely gone but what do I know.

Apparently the rumor around the school house is that the negotiators have been called back in. I thought they would give the EtD a little more time but 4 hires is pretty bad.

The business model is failing and that caught Deltas attention. No help coming this year. What they need is a grand bargain between Delta, XJT, skywest managment to accelerate parking. I don't think American and United will follow suit, but Delta is-for now-chopping apart the regionals.

You need to get on the p2p comittee and if you have any brains get into grievances volunteer work. Grievance is very rewarding if you can keep up.

You're sticking it out and you're interested, it's time to volenteer, it breaks up the line flying.

 

[derg]

And this is in the Lav?

I don't know. I wasn't the original poster!

Sometimes we curate, sometimes Eastbound and Down is on.

 

[jwp_145]

History does go against my logic which is why I view it as a gamble.

I also view it as a calculated gamble though because I feel there is a very good chance I'll have the opportunity to move on to something better than a regional before Endeavor closes the doors, if that is what will happen here. I figure we have at least 2 more years before they throw in the towel. I could be wrong though.

Speaking of regionals shutting their doors why should I go to another regional when only 2-3 will survive as you said? I could leave Endeavor chasing greener grass and a future just to find I'm now at another regional that will not survive the new realities of the FFD world. Then I start over once again.

We all know massive changes are coming to the industry so I plan on riding it out. I know many people who have tried hopping around and it has paid off for only a handful.

I share your beliefs... I'm in no danger of losing my job in the next year, and I think that the situation is so dynamic right now that a lot will happen over the next 12 months. I don't have a family, and I'm easily surviving on what I make since I just hit 4th year payscale. There is more upside for me staying that there is for me going elsewhere.
Yeah I could try to go to Compass, but that place will become a parking lot eventually just like 9e currently is. Aside from Compass, where else would I go? None of the other regionals have any appeal to me at all. SKW and Horizon both have massive upgrade times, but since they fart perfume people seem to forget about that. I think once 9e gets down to just their 900s, a lot of the oldtimers will be gone, either fed up with trying to get to NYC from Memphis or will have retired. Hell it seems like every week I fly with an ExpressOne guy who is about to retire.

Either way, 9e could turn out to be a decent place in a year, or it could shut its doors in 2 years... whichever eventuality, I'll be ok.

 

[jwp_145]

I don't see Delta making any big moves until the 200s are completely gone but what do I know.

Apparently the rumor around the school house is that the negotiators have been called back in. I thought they would give the EtD a little more time but 4 hires is pretty bad.

I hope it was a big slap in the face to Deltas ego that people didn't come down from the hills to fill out that EtD application... the collective pilot pool basically said FARK OFF.

 

[ClarkGriswold]

I share your beliefs... I'm in no danger of losing my job in the next year, and I think that the situation is so dynamic right now that a lot will happen over the next 12 months. I don't have a family, and I'm easily surviving on what I make since I just hit 4th year payscale. There is more upside for me staying that there is for me going elsewhere.
Yeah I could try to go to Compass, but that place will become a parking lot eventually just like 9e currently is. Aside from Compass, where else would I go? None of the other regionals have any appeal to me at all. SKW and Horizon both have massive upgrade times, but since they fart perfume people seem to forget about that. I think once 9e gets down to just their 900s, a lot of the oldtimers will be gone, either fed up with trying to get to NYC from Memphis or will have retired. Hell it seems like every week I fly with an ExpressOne guy who is about to retire.

Either way, 9e could turn out to be a decent place in a year, or it could shut its doors in 2 years... whichever eventuality, I'll be ok.

Weren't you on Airlink pilots about 2 weeks ago saying how you wanted to go to Compass and was looking for the HR departments phone number...

@bronco21016 do you realize your buddy is about 20 people away from upgrading? In 1 year...

 

[jynxyjoe]

I hope it was a big slap in the face to Deltas ego that people didn't come down from the hills to fill out that EtD application... the collective pilot pool basically said FARK OFF.

Typical Endeavor management fashion (Delta by proxy maybe), they felt it was the pilots fault for misrepresenting the EtD to the prospective applicants.

 

[jwp_145]

Weren't you on Airlink pilots about 2 weeks ago saying how you wanted to go to Compass and was looking for the HR departments phone number...

@bronco21016 do you realize your buddy is about 20 people away from upgrading? In 1 year...

I 'want' a lot things but that doesn't mean I'm gonna do it for any number of reasons.
I bounce back and forth between testing the waters elsewhere or just staying here out of morbid curiosity. I called their HR to see what of mine they had on file, because back years ago when I'd originally applied I didn't remember if they'd used airlineapps. Now I'd have to go and create an entire new airlineapps profile because I haven't kept mine current. So I'll probably bounce back and forth between applying and not... my point was though that one had better get in over there quick before they stagnate.

 

[Maurus]

@bronco21016 do you realize your buddy is about 20 people away from upgrading? In 1 year...

You do realize the upgrade time today is not the upgrade time tomorrow? The koolaid is nice but upgrade times never tell a full story.

Right now it looks good but the flows will end and movement will slow down. The increase in airframes will help but compass has to rely on people jumping ship from other carriers to staff them.

 

[jwp_145]

You do realize the upgrade time today is not the upgrade time tomorrow? The koolaid is nice but upgrade times never tell a full story.

Right now it looks good but the flows will end and movement will slow down. The increase in airframes will help but compass has to rely on people jumping ship from other carriers to staff them.

True true... and up until now it seems like Hulas has been fairly hands off, but I'm not sure that will last forever, especially as legacy costs increase.

 

[jynxyjoe]

True true... and up until now it seems like Hulas has been fairly hands off, but I'm not sure that will last forever, especially as legacy costs increase.

Legacy costs for Compass? What legacy costs; aren't they back to yr 0-2 pay across the board in a couple months?

 

[jwp_145]

Legacy costs for Compass? What legacy costs; aren't they back to yr 0-2 pay across the board in a couple months?

For a lot of their workforce, yeah... but they won't be able to maintain the turnover rate that they have been for more than I'd say 2 more years into the future... especially once all of the flow guys are gone.
Also when you add 20 more aircraft, their support costs are going to increase... office staff, SOC, MX, etc.
Maybe legacy wasn't the correct word to use, but as there is no denying that the longer/bigger they operate the higher their cost structure will be.

 

[jynxyjoe]

For a lot of their workforce, yeah... but they won't be able to maintain the turnover rate that they have been for more than I'd say 2 more years into the future... especially once all of the flow guys are gone.
Also when you add 20 more aircraft, their support costs are going to increase... office staff, SOC, MX, etc.
Maybe legacy wasn't the correct word to use, but as there is no denying that the longer/bigger they operate the higher their cost structure will be.

... as long as the revenue increases (it will) that's the exact problem you want to have. Now when you factor in the two other properties the math is more complex but GoJets scope protections are a joke and TSA still suck last I saw, hulas can bend the other two properties over a barrel and swim around in cash. Compass workforce is isolated somewhat from those other properties and can be merged or dissolved with little heart ache.

Anything your talking about 3 years from now is irrelevant because that's too far in the future, roll a dice.

 

[SFCC/UND]

... as long as the revenue increases (it will) that's the exact problem you want to have. Now when you factor in the two other properties the math is more complex but GoJets scope protections are a joke and TSA still suck last I saw, hulas can bend the other two properties over a barrel and swim around in cash. Compass workforce is isolated somewhat from those other properties and can be merged or dissolved with little heart ache.

Anything your talking about 3 years from now is irrelevant because that's too far in the future, roll a dice.

That's the great part about working for Uncle Hulas, he doesn't share all the money is making off our planes. Our 145's are so dirt cheap, I swear he has like 5 different mansions in FLA.

 

[jwp_145]

... as long as the revenue increases (it will) that's the exact problem you want to have. Now when you factor in the two other properties the math is more complex but GoJets scope protections are a joke and TSA still suck last I saw, hulas can bend the other two properties over a barrel and swim around in cash. Compass workforce is isolated somewhat from those other properties and can be merged or dissolved with little heart ache.

Anything your talking about 3 years from now is irrelevant because that's too far in the future, roll a dice.

Very true... I guess I was applying assumptions one could somewhat make about a legacy carrier as opposed to one in the volatile regional segment.

 

[jynxyjoe]

Very true... I guess I was applying assumptions one could somewhat make about a legacy carrier as opposed to one in the volatile regional segment.

Yeah, honestly it's easier sometimes to plug your nose and jump in. Endeavor might work out too for you all, but I'd buckle up it's not going to get better this year. Fast growing regionals could use you better and you could get more out of them than what Endeavor is offering.

 

[bronco21016]

@bronco21016 do you realize your buddy is about 20 people away from upgrading? In 1 year...

Yup, two buddies actually. One was in the pool before I was even scheduled for an interview and the other interviewed the same day I was supposed to. What can I do about it at this point? Do you still think someone that interviews today will be a captain in 18 months? It's certainly possible but I don't see it being likely. There's still that pesky part about going broke for the first 12 months as well. I wouldn't make it through new hire training without taking on credit card debt. I'll pass on that.

It's water under the bridge really at this point. Hindsight is 20/20 etc etc.