Malaysian 777 Plane Crashes in Ukraine

bunk22 said:
Oh gee, in that case....nope, statement still stands.

Why Ed Bailey, does this mean we are not friends? If I thought you weren't my friend...well I don't think I could bare it....
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Well look on the bright side everyone, at least this time he's trying to be funny instead of the normal condescending comments.
bunk22 said:
Pretty much like the majority on this forum.
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bunk22 said:
Still an airplane, operated by psuedo pilots but a lot more dangerous to other aircraft. I fly in and around them daily in Afghanistan..watched them make a few Hadji kills.
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bunk22 said:
So that's what Hornet pilots do! These GA pilots wouldn't have a clue...
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bunk22 said:
Probably best you don't post. ..
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bunk22 said:
Since so many of you no loads are so off topic, I will post a favorite pic and yeah, I'm way pro Israel. Get some!
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bunk22 said:
LOl.... typical of the net and this forum in particular. Reading through this thread...some genuine concern, drama queens and just plain nut bags. Some of these folks walk among us, that's scary.
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RDoug said:
Seeing as we're off topic anyway, I'll just make one observation then shut up:

Before the Iraq invasion of 2003 we were specifically warned by regional experts here, our allies, and officials in the George Bush, Sr., administration that if we toppled Saddam Hussein we would destabilize the Persian Gulf, witness the dissolution of Iraq into separate feuding tribal states, and make Iran the undisputed regional superpower by taking away their only real check and balance.

We did it anyway, and we're witnessing today just how stupid the decision to invade was. I've no desire to repeat that mistake in other areas of the world, especially with our track record of screwing up the aftermath when we do intervene and then washing our hands of the mess we create after we've spent trillions in money we don't have and needlessly sacrificing military personnel for no real gain in national security.

And there is simply no better endorsement of that stand than the fact that Dick Cheney and George W. Bush still say they did the right thing. With their track record, you know they still don't get it.
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Umm... I'm not sure what play book your looking at but I'm pretty sure we accomplished exactly what we went over there for.
 
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Apparently the text reads :if we disappear, the plane looks like this. Tweeted by one of the pax before they boarded MH 17.


Oh, and Sarah Palin is a saint. We should impeach Obummer.
 
It's kind of interesting how this thread is growing about as fast as the MH370 one did but with far less content having to actually do with the title flight.
 
RDoug said:
We did, huh? And where were those weapons of mass destruction?
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Well... To begin to understand American military actions post DUBYA DUBYA DEUCE you have to understand the world stage that was left to the US... A reasonable estimate of World War II's cost to the world was about fifty million dead (military and civilian deaths combined). Europe had torn itself to shreds in this war, and nations were devastated. In contrast, the United States lost around half a million military dead and had almost no civilian casualties. At the end of the war, the American industrial plant was much stronger than before the war; the United States was the only combatant nation for which that was the case. No American cities were bombed (excepting Pearl Harbor), no U.S. territory was occupied (except two small islands in the Aleutians), and the United States suffered less than 1 percent of the war's casualties.

For that price, the United States emerged from World War II not only controlling the North Atlantic but ruling all of the world's oceans. It also occupied Western Europe, shaping the destinies of countries like France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, and indeed Great Britain itself. The United States simultaneously conquered and occupied Japan, almost as an afterthought to the European campaigns.

US control of the sea meant that the United States was able not only to engage in but to define global maritime trade. It could make the rules, or at least block anyone else's rules, by denying other nations entry to the world's trade routes. In general, the United States shaped the international trading system more subtly, by using access to the vast American market as a lever to shape the behavior of other nations. It was not surprising, then, that in addition to its natural endowments, the United States became enormously prosperous from its sea power and that the Soviet Union couldn't possibly compete, being landlocked.

If we view the beginning of the twenty-first century as the dawn of the American Age (superseding the European Age), we see that it began with a group of Muslims seeking to re-create the Caliphate—the great Islamic empire that once ran from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Inevitably, they had to strike at the United States in an attempt to draw the world's primary power into war, trying to demonstrate its weakness in order to trigger an Islamic uprising. The United States responded by invading the Islamic world. But its goal wasn't victory. It wasn't even clear what victory would mean. Its goal was simply to disrupt the Islamic world and set it against itself, so that an Islamic empire could not emerge. The United States doesn't need to win wars. It needs to simply disrupt things so the other side can't build up sufficient strength to challenge it.

People talk about “the long war,” and the idea that the United States and Muslims will be fighting for a century. As is usually the case, what appears permanent is only a passing phase. Consider the twenty-year perspective. Conflict may continue, but the strategic challenge to American power is coming to an end. Al Qaeda has failed in its goals. The United States has succeeded, not so much in winning the war as in preventing the Islamists from winning, and, from a geopolitical perspective, that is good enough. The twenty-first century has begun with an American success that on the surface looks like not only a defeat but a deep political and moral embarrassment.
 
tlewis95 said:
It's kind of interesting how this thread is growing about as fast as the MH370 one did but with far less content having to actually do with the title flight.
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Ran out of facts to relay, but this thing is 24 hours, so we had to start fighting about stuff.

Funny how this and 24 news networks bear a lot of similarities.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Well... To begin to understand American military actions post DUBYA DUBYA DEUCE you have to understand the world stage that was left to the US... A reasonable estimate of World War II's cost to the world was about fifty million dead (military and civilian deaths combined). Europe had torn itself to shreds in this war, and nations were devastated. In contrast, the United States lost around half a million military dead and had almost no civilian casualties. At the end of the war, the American industrial plant was much stronger than before the war; the United States was the only combatant nation for which that was the case. No American cities were bombed (excepting Pearl Harbor), no U.S. territory was occupied (except two small islands in the Aleutians), and the United States suffered less than 1 percent of the war's casualties.

For that price, the United States emerged from World War II not only controlling the North Atlantic but ruling all of the world's oceans. It also occupied Western Europe, shaping the destinies of countries like France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, and indeed Great Britain itself. The United States simultaneously conquered and occupied Japan, almost as an afterthought to the European campaigns.

US control of the sea meant that the United States was able not only to engage in but to define global maritime trade. It could make the rules, or at least block anyone else's rules, by denying other nations entry to the world's trade routes. In general, the United States shaped the international trading system more subtly, by using access to the vast American market as a lever to shape the behavior of other nations. It was not surprising, then, that in addition to its natural endowments, the United States became enormously prosperous from its sea power and that the Soviet Union couldn't possibly compete, being landlocked.

If we view the beginning of the twenty-first century as the dawn of the American Age (superseding the European Age), we see that it began with a group of Muslims seeking to re-create the Caliphate—the great Islamic empire that once ran from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Inevitably, they had to strike at the United States in an attempt to draw the world's primary power into war, trying to demonstrate its weakness in order to trigger an Islamic uprising. The United States responded by invading the Islamic world. But its goal wasn't victory. It wasn't even clear what victory would mean. Its goal was simply to disrupt the Islamic world and set it against itself, so that an Islamic empire could not emerge. The United States doesn't need to win wars. It needs to simply disrupt things so the other side can't build up sufficient strength to challenge it.

People talk about “the long war,” and the idea that the United States and Muslims will be fighting for a century. As is usually the case, what appears permanent is only a passing phase. Consider the twenty-year perspective. Conflict may continue, but the strategic challenge to American power is coming to an end. Al Qaeda has failed in its goals. The United States has succeeded, not so much in winning the war as in preventing the Islamists from winning, and, from a geopolitical perspective, that is good enough. The twenty-first century has begun with an American success that on the surface looks like not only a defeat but a deep political and moral embarrassment.
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I've really gotta hand it to you, this is the biggest bunch of BS I've ever seen. And that's saying a lot, because I watch a lot of Faux Noise for entertainment value. You managed to beat them at their own BS shoveling game.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Well let's hear it...
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Hear what? You've just manufactured a bunch of nonsense. There's no reason to seriously respond to it anymore than there's reason to respond to Alex Jones' crazy nonsense. Neither Osama bin Laden nor any other significant terrorist leader in the years since 9/11 have said anything about reinstating a massive caliphate stretching from ocean to ocean. That's all dreamed up in your head, just like the WMDs that the war criminals of the last administration dreamed up in their heads. We didn't begin two wars to disrupt a non-existent quest for a new Muslim empire. We began two wars because President Bush is an idiot who was mislead by a bunch of war mongers into starting two wars to make themselves and their buddies rich.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Hear what? You've just manufactured a bunch of nonsense. There's no reason to seriously respond to it anymore than there's reason to respond to Alex Jones' crazy nonsense. Neither Osama bin Laden nor any other significant terrorist leader in the years since 9/11 have said anything about reinstating a massive caliphate stretching from ocean to ocean. That's all dreamed up in your head, just like the WMDs that the war criminals of the last administration dreamed up in their heads. We didn't begin two wars to disrupt a non-existent quest for a new Muslim empire. We began two wars because President Bush is an idiot who was mislead by a bunch of war mongers into starting two wars to make themselves and their buddies rich.
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Funny... My "manufactured nonsense" is what the leading minds in geopolitical history and forecasting attest to.
 
I'm eager to hear the cockpit voice recordings, to see if they had any struggle or anything at all, my guess would be none, but I'm still eager.
 
An airliner shot out of the sky in cruise on an airway flown by members of this forum, 298 innocent people suffered what must have been a horribly traumatic death leaving behind scores of children, parents, siblings, friends and coworkers, the world is scrambling to find out what happened, and mean while, here we have a 20 page thread about isolationism and Israel. Great. Stay classy JC.
 
ChasenSFO said:
An airliner shot out of the sky in cruise on an airway flown by members of this forum, 298 innocent people suffered what must have been a horribly traumatic death leaving behind scores of children, parents, siblings, friends and coworkers, the world is scrambling to find out what happened, and mean while, here we have a 20 page thread about isolationism and Israel. Great. Stay classy JC.
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ChasenSFO said:
An airliner shot out of the sky in cruise on an airway flown by members of this forum, 298 innocent people suffered what must have been a horribly traumatic death leaving behind scores of children, parents, siblings, friends and coworkers, the world is scrambling to find out what happened, and mean while, here we have a 20 page thread about isolationism and Israel. Great. Stay classy JC.
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Yeah, maybe it's time a mod parsed this up.
 
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