Next 48 Hours Critical in Denying NAI and their application

ATN_Pilot said:
While I actually agree with Moak's push on NAI (one of his few legislative issues with which I actually agree), I think you're being a bit too simplistic with saying that Boeing isn't a friend of labor. Boeing employes a hell of a lot of unionized workers who have good union jobs. That's one of the reasons that I haven't been willing to jump on the Ex-Im Bank hatred bandwagon. The overall labor movement is supportive of the Bank because of the union jobs that it supports at Boeing. ALPA is the lone union voice fighting on that issue. So saying that Boeing "isn't a friend of labor" is really meaningless. No company is ever a friend of labor. But many companies employ a lot of union laborers.
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Look at what Boeing has done though with the outsourcing of labor, the union busting to South Carolina, etc. Yes, there are union jobs associated with Boeing, but Boeing isn't exactly labor promoting either.
 
I despise ALPA and the Deny NAI campaign. Anybody out there who wants to get started with some talking points against #denyNAI and ALPA should read the articles below and, of course, urge your rep to vote no. Airline pilots are probably the biggest group of uninformed, unthinking sheep-people I've ever met. Don't let their cronies influence Washington. There has been absolutely no intelligent discussion of this issue by ALPA, only on-message, repetitive propaganda.

http://cafehayek.com/2014/03/pilot-error.html

http://cafehayek.com/2014/05/another-pilot-error.html
 
Email sent and phone call made. When does voting conclude, 5pm Tuesday? Does anyone have a link that'll allow access to the results? Or should I wait for an email from Lee Moak on Wednesday?
 
AAPalmTree said:
Is the vote over? If not.. Is there a link to track?
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US Congressional Record said:
AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. DEFAZIO
Mr. DEFAZIO. Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment at the desk. The Acting CHAIR. The Clerk will report the amendment.
The Clerk read as follows: At the end of the bill (before the short title), insert the following: SEC. ll. None of the funds made available
by this Act may be used to approve a new foreign air carrier permit under sections 41301 through 41305 of title 49, United States
Code, or exemption application under section 40109 of that title of an air carrier already holding an air operators certificate issued by
a country that is party to the U.S.–E.U.–Iceland–Norway Air Transport Agreement where such approval would contravene
United States law or Article 17 bis of the U.S.–E.U.–Iceland–Norway Air Transport Agreement.
Mr. DEFAZIO (during the reading).
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that we dispense with the reading of the amendment.
The Acting CHAIR. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from Oregon?
Mr. LATHAM. I object.
The Acting CHAIR. Objection is heard.
The Clerk will read. The Clerk continued to read.
The Acting CHAIR. The gentleman from Oregon is recognized for 5 minutes. b 2200
Mr. DEFAZIO. Mr. Chairman, these limitation amendments often don’t go to matters of national security.
Mr. LATHAM. Will the gentleman yield?
Mr. DEFAZIO. I yield to the gentleman from Iowa.
Mr. LATHAM. The reason I objected is we weren’t sure as to what the amendment was, and we would accept the amendment.
Mr. DEFAZIO. We won’t take much time if the gentleman just would allow me 1 or 2 minutes.
Mr. LATHAM. If the gentleman doesn’t take much time, we will accept the amendment.
Mr. DEFAZIO. I agree. And Mr. WESTMORELAND will also be brief. This is extraordinarily important, and I
thank the Chair for his indulgence and his support. We, in the Open Skies Agreement with the EU, anticipated that some countries might try and go forum shopping,
that is—like the cruise line industry—look for a nation that has lesser laws regulating labor, safety, and then also allow outsourcing. This
would be a model for Norwegian—for this airline, which does not fly to the United States, to incorporate in Ireland. They would then hire crews from
Malaysia to fly planes based in Singapore and hope to serve the United States with these crews. This is the cruise line model. It is a
recipe for disaster. You shop around the world to find the least regulated, least trained, and cheapest labor you can—as has happened with the cruise
line industry—and in this case, in aviation, it will both threaten consumers and national security given the Civil Reserve Air Fleet requirements of aviation.
With that, I yield to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. WESTMORELAND).
Mr. WESTMORELAND. I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chair, a subsidiary of the Norway-based Norwegian Air Shuttle, NAS, Norwegian Air International, is seeking to operate as an Irish airline
and plans to conduct overseas flights from Europe to the U.S. NAI has been granted an Irish Air Operator’s Certificate, but still has an application for a
foreign air carrier permit pending with the U.S. DOT. It appears that the NAI plans for its pilots to work under individual employment contracts that are governed
by Singapore law that contains wages and working conditions substantially inferior to those of NAS’s Norwaybased pilots. These contracts will be
with a Singapore employment company that will rent the pilots to NAI. Although it seeks to become an Irish airline, it appears that NAI will not be operating
air transportation services from Ireland. This raises a question about how regulatory oversight of NAI’s operations will be conducted.
The United States has the highest, most competitive airline industry in the world, the safest regulations, and so, I hope that we will adopt this DeFazio-
Westmoreland amendment.
Mr. DEFAZIO. With that, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. LATHAM. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
The Acting CHAIR. The gentleman from Iowa is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, I am going to accept the amendment, but I just want to make it clear that this really states the obvious, that basically we are saying
that you can’t approve something that contravenes U.S. law or article 17 of the Air Transport Agreement. If so, it is obviously stating what is already
law and really is nothing new. I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. PASTOR of Arizona. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman is recognized for 5 minutes.
Mr. PASTOR of Arizona. I yield to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DEFAZIO).
Mr. DEFAZIO. Mr. Chair, I thank the gentleman for yielding. It is not so obvious with this administration. They are desperate for the TPP, they are
desperate for the trans-America free trade agreement, and we are very worried that they would think that disapproving this application from Ireland
representing Norway, who intends to operate a rent-an-airline, rent-a-crew from Singapore, would somehow derail their talks. So I don’t think it is obvious.
This is sending a message to the White House that we are not going to let this happen.
With that, I thank the gentleman.
Mr. PASTOR of Arizona. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
The Acting CHAIR. The question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DEFAZIO).
The amendment was agreed to.
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To sum it up this was basically Mr. Defazio and Mr. Westmoreland explaining why the amendment is important and offering to amend it without a vote. After brief explanation, all objections were withdrawn so it was unanimously decided to add the amendment to the final bill.
 
learhawkerbe400 said:
So did they get denied?? I haven't read all the articles just curious where this stands.
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This is an amendment to a bill and it's the amendment that has been approved. The bill is not yet law, but if/when it becomes law, it reiterates and clarifies that it would be illegal for the DOT to grant a foreign air carrier permit to NAI. So as soon as this bill gets passed into law, it effectively would make it impossible for NAI to schedule operations to/from the United States.
 
crazyjaydawg said:
This is an amendment to a bill and it's the amendment that has been approved. The bill is not yet law, but if/when it becomes law, it reiterates and clarifies that it would be illegal for the DOT to grant a foreign air carrier permit to NAI. So as soon as this bill gets passed into law, it effectively would make it impossible for NAI to schedule operations to/from the United States.
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Cool thanks.
 
Seggy said:
An amendment is in play during the next 48 hours (June 9–10) in the U.S. House of Representatives to deny NAI! The House will vote on an amendment by Reps. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) and Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) during consideration of the FY 2015 Transportation Appropriations bill (H.R. 4745) to prohibit funding for a foreign air carrier permit that does not follow U.S. law and the U.S.-EU Open Skies Agreement, which specifically prohibits forum shopping for cheap labor. Debate starts at 2:00 p.m. Monday, with votes beginning at 6:30 p.m., so the time to act is now! Call your representative through the Capitol switchboard 202-224-3121 and urge him or her to vote YES on the Westmoreland-DeFazio Amendment to Deny NAI! Go to ALPA.org to take action to send an e-mail message to your representative.
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I called my congressional reps as soon as I got the email. I talked to the staffers of course, but they were both very friendly and were more than happy to write down the name of the bill, what I did for a living, the union's stance on it, and then we talked about how their district (Northeast Oklahoma) is extremely dependant on aerospace industry.
Must say it was neat calling the Capitol switchboard and asking for COngressman Mullen's office and being put right through.
 
Seggy said:
An amendment is in play during the next 48 hours (June 9–10) in the U.S. House of Representatives to deny NAI! The House will vote on an amendment by Reps. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) and Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) during consideration of the FY 2015 Transportation Appropriations bill (H.R. 4745) to prohibit funding for a foreign air carrier permit that does not follow U.S. law and the U.S.-EU Open Skies Agreement, which specifically prohibits forum shopping for cheap labor. Debate starts at 2:00 p.m. Monday, with votes beginning at 6:30 p.m., so the time to act is now! Call your representative through the Capitol switchboard 202-224-3121 and urge him or her to vote YES on the Westmoreland-DeFazio Amendment to Deny NAI! Go to ALPA.org to take action to send an e-mail message to your representative.
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I try to vote early and often whenever possible. Thus, I dutifully called the four congresscritters in whose districts I have material interests.
 
Jason5 said:
I despise ALPA and the Deny NAI campaign. Anybody out there who wants to get started with some talking points against #denyNAI and ALPA should read the articles below and, of course, urge your rep to vote no. Airline pilots are probably the biggest group of uninformed, unthinking sheep-people I've ever met. Don't let their cronies influence Washington. There has been absolutely no intelligent discussion of this issue by ALPA, only on-message, repetitive propaganda.

http://cafehayek.com/2014/03/pilot-error.html

http://cafehayek.com/2014/05/another-pilot-error.html
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Suddenly I feel stalked... who is this 2-posts-in-7-years fella who comes blasting out of the woodwork shooting vitriol and links?
 
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