Best of luck to them. It is risky but hopefully it works out.
Boring.What's life without a little risk?
Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as getting "bent out of shape". I was just saying that Vision and their pilots are fully aware of the risks involved with a startup. Heck, Vision's own 121 domestic ops did not go well and they folded after 18 months.Ok. Got it. Maybe you don't understand the gist of my post. I hope this works out for everyone involved. Based on previous performance of startup airlines in this environment, I am not holding my breath. You and others are getting way bent out of shape over it for no reason. People speak poorly about my current employer and the employer that I just got hired with all the time but I take it with a grain of salt and let it roll off my back. This is an extremely difficult and competitive environment for a startup to gain traction in, especially with no airplanes of their own, no certificate, and someone that took two years to raise the capital to get where they can start revenue flights.
I will say it a fourth time. Hope this works out great and you are all the next Spirit. You can come back here and tell me how full of crap I am. I will toast you all to your success. There are a lot of miles between here and there though.
For you guys that escaped your crappy regional jobs to get hired by Vision, congratulations. Enjoy getting experience in the classic and if you don't already have your 737 type then even better. I will just say that if I were you I would keep my options open and keep updating those apps to the majors.
What does vision pay?No worries. Classic internet miscommunication. I misunderstood you as well.
The tidewater area is ripe for an ultra low cost option. Hopefully they can pull this off. It royally sucks traveling in and out of that area and there are a ton of people there. The biggest and best thing about this whole thing for me is that there are pilots getting paid to operate big equipment that I presume are being hired primarily from regional jobs.
I don't run the company, but I imagine between a mix of cherry routes (BOS, EWR, MCO, FLL) picking and hunting for a hub for operations (PIT looked likely) there's going to be a lot of growth and a lot of losses while they find their niche. Get a niche, make profit, build a network from there. Execution is everything but the People Express people figure out how to sell the tickets, Vision flies them around safely, merge eventually and try to keep making money without running aground.
Yeah, I think starting an airline and a successful outcome is a mix of luck and experience. I have little of either, so I just fly em.USA3000 tried that model. They muddled along for about 11 years doing a mix of vacation charters, fill in wet leasing, military lift and some scheduled service. They never really made it big (and did seasonal furloughs every year) but provided jobs for people for a while.
I think what changed was the ability to find "cheap" tickets on the internet.
And money. You need that.Yeah, I think starting an airline and a successful outcome is a mix of luck and experience. I have little of either, so I just fly em.
Quick search shows pay at $35/hr for FO's $85/hr for CA 80 hour guarantee not sure how current that is
Vision was involved with a failed startup of their own
wheelsup said:Quick search shows pay at $35/hr for FO's $85/hr for CA 80 hour guarantee not sure how current that is