Two planes near miss Newark

I love all the people here who act like this is 'just another day and no big deal.' Spoke to a couple NY local controllers. They are of a different opinion. And from the sound of it...that doesn't seem like your normal media over exaggeration.
 
All about timing...and perhaps flying the charted visual approach procedure, as charted...oh yah...and actually rolling when you receive your takeoff clearance.

What was that about timing?

In the end, we can sit back and let the internal investigations take place. Time for a drink.
 
Why do they call it a near miss?

You don't nearly miss something.

You nearly hit it.

"I was driving down the 405 and I nearly hit some idiot who was texting while driving."

Now try replacing it with this

"I was driving down the 405 and I nearly missed some idiot who was texting while driving."

Doesn't work.
 
queeno said:
I guess CC dose not understand what " may not " means ! oh and I love the red text like I don't know what is in that book !
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That RJ taking off had to push the nose down to prevent two smoking holes, but hey, it might not be a separation error.

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The red was just to highlight the pertinent portions. As a pilot I won't claim to know every sentence in the AIM. Similarly, I find it suspect when someone claims to know their book.
 
queeno said:
The AIM is not regulatory for pilots, the 7110 IS for controllers !
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Well shoot, sir I believe the FCOM is regulatory for us and there is no way I know every sentence in the 2,000+ pages. Anyway this is detracting from the subject. It's still under investigation so we'll have to wait for the official verdict, but you know where I stand on this one.
 
I'd expect a career and now retired controller to know the .65 sideways. I'm not saying it was our wasn't an error, but that's the wrong tree to bark up.

There at plenty of grey areas in the .65 and my bet is on Queeno being more familiar than you by an order of magnitude.

It's also bad form to tell a center controller how big and bad your manuals are and you don't have them all committed to memory. Step one for him was drawing zau's airspace from memory
 
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genot said:
I'd expect a career and now retired controller to know the .65 sideways. I'm not saying it was our wasn't an error, but that's the wrong tree to bark up.

There at plenty of grey areas in the .65 and my bet is on Queeno being more familiar than you by an order of magnitude.

It's also bad form to tell a center controller how big and bad your manuals are and you don't have them all committed to memory. Step one for him was drawing zau's airspace from memory
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I have all the pertinent parts necessary committed to memory. The rest is available for reference if there's a time when that's necessary. It's more of a humble thing to admit that as oppose to "I know the entire book." My personal experience with those who claim to know the book, it always ends up being their own version of the book and that makes for a long trip. You are correct that controllers are different, they have a different set of rules to follow, different duties, etc, but in this particular case it comes off harsh when one writes "thanks for posting it in red as if I didn't already know that!" I honestly don't care what one did or didn't already know. I was simply posting what was required in this particular situation. We can revisit this thread once the NTSB completes the investigation.
 
God you make my head hurt ! Oh and another thing sunshine notes in the 7110 are also not regulatory they are just to help explain the rule. Oh and a third thing saying I know whats in the book and saying someone memoized something are two different things.
 
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Just to give this picture some actual sense of separation - there was enough vertical space between the two airplanes to knife edge three 737s wingtip to wingtip (calling Southwest...) between them with plenty of space to spare. Not judging the separation or loss thereof - but I hate these news infographics (especially with that UA seven-thirty-bus or whatever it is).
 
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