SpiceWeasel
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How many days off in a row can you get? With 117, I would love to load my schedule with 2-4 3-day trips trips with 30 hours between them and get 10+ days off in a row. Then: travel international.
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How many days off in a row can you get? With 117, I would love to load my schedule with 2-4 3-day trips trips with 30 hours between them and get 10+ days off in a row. Then: travel international.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Varies. Our lines were always 15-16 days off for CDO lines before SWA took it all away, and you had to have a minimum of 3 days off between blocks of CDOs. Sometimes a "block" was just one CDO. We also have a bunch of rules about month-to-month integration conflicts, so I could usually bid a conflict and create a week off between months. But you could always move around the CDOs as much as you wanted through FLiCA, so if you wanted to bunch them all together, you could do that as long as it was legal. As long as you kept the same number of CDOs that you had when integration was completed, then you kept the same pay. You could also pick up extra CDOs and it all went on top of guarantee, even though your actual credit hours were way below guarantee. When I was about to build my new house a couple of years ago and wanted some spare cash "just in case," I picked up a few extra CDOs a month and was getting 100+ hours credit and only 35-40 hours block.
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Seggy
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L-16B
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They definitely aren't for everyone. I did them at colgan and pinnacle before I came to airways and I love them. Before concessions they apparently paid about 10 hours per CDO, but along with everything else they gave it back in bankruptcy. I get to hear them groan about it
They definitely aren't for everyone. I did them at colgan and pinnacle before I came to airways and I love them. Before concessions they apparently paid about 10 hours per CDO, but along with everything else they gave it back in bankruptcy. I get to hear them groan about it
Always ask yourself: "Is this Scheduling with Safety?"
Doesn't matter what they pay or how convenient they are for some.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Sorry, man, but that's BS. The only way it's not safe is if you aren't treating them in a safe manner. As the science proved during the flight & duty time ARC, CDOs can be perfectly safe as long as the duty period is limited and the circadian rhythm is kept consistent. Now if you choose to not sleep during the day because you want to go out and have fun, then that's on you. But flying backside of the clock is perfectly safe.
I don't want it for my company.
Get this, I don't care what you think, bro!
All the love in the world, but if I wanted CDO's, I would go to a company with CDO's. Maybe you like it, that's cool. You do you.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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That's great, vote how you want. But calling it unsafe is just plain BS.
And I am completely at peace with your opinion that my opinion that CDO's are unsafe isn't congruent with your opinion of the conditions that solely ***I*** will have to work under.
That's cool.
I hope you find the same peace.
It's liberating.
I'm 43, you're not going to scream me down so save the hassle.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Got it. Vaccines cause autism and global warming is a hoax, too, right? 
Nick
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They are not safe where I work.
CDOs are mixed into lines so that people can complete their partial lines and avoid reserve for part of the month because the QOL hit is so detrimental that they basically have no choice but to fly CDOs.
They might do a 4-day trip, and then a CDO the next night. But the largest base we have has the greatest number of them and they are the worst. They aren't 30-60 minute hops with 6, 7, 8+ hours on the ground like the other bases seem to do. They are like 2-3 hours flying each direction with 4-5 hours on the ground. If I did one of them I'd probably call in fatigued. I don't know how people do them and feel even remotely rested on approach at the end of the return leg.
CDOs are mixed into lines so that people can complete their partial lines and avoid reserve for part of the month because the QOL hit is so detrimental that they basically have no choice but to fly CDOs.
They might do a 4-day trip, and then a CDO the next night. But the largest base we have has the greatest number of them and they are the worst. They aren't 30-60 minute hops with 6, 7, 8+ hours on the ground like the other bases seem to do. They are like 2-3 hours flying each direction with 4-5 hours on the ground. If I did one of them I'd probably call in fatigued. I don't know how people do them and feel even remotely rested on approach at the end of the return leg.
You mean the USAirways Contract?
I'm not part of the glitterati so I have no clue of the semantic.
You have to realize that if the pilot group doesn't want it, the pilot group doesn't want it.
People will vote the direction they want their agreement to go, regardless of how you feel.
Remember, you don't work here.
Seggy
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@Derg, if your group doesn't want them that is fine.
@ATN_Pilot is making the point that this has nothing to do with what a pilot group wants or doesn't.
The fact of the matter is that under Part 117 which is based on science, it IS safe to do what USAirways does.
@ATN_Pilot is making the point that this has nothing to do with what a pilot group wants or doesn't.
The fact of the matter is that under Part 117 which is based on science, it IS safe to do what USAirways does.
Which is cool and as I said, I respect the opinion.
But you don't have any skin in this game.
Seggy
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What game?
This game meaning that you're not working under our contract. So while I appreciate your opinion on the matter, it's an exterior opinion.
Airport layovers for international cities may be cool under your contract, but it would be a massive step backwards for ours.
Flying two-man east to Europe, while the third flies at deadhead pay in a coach seat may be cool, but at my airline, it isn't.
CDO's may be awesome and senior at your carrier may be copasetic, but at mine, not so much and many of us may not want this.
Those are examples of things that are completely legal but would be an absolute aberration for my pilot group.
You may think it's cool, like I told ATN, that's fine, but it's not what I want for MY airline and quite frankly, you have to realize that at the end of the day, it's none of your business.
We. **WE** means 1 up to 12,000-something on the seniority list are going to decide what's best for our pilot group. We, as in the people that know where we are today and know where we'll be DOS+1.
I don't care what's legally acceptable. I care about the work rules that make me proud to wear the double-breasted submarine commander outfit. It's my choice.