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There's going to be hell to pay if it's not released for MEMRAT.

Allowing CDOs is a big change , so that should be released to the pilot group. It'll pass, because that's what we do... but at least I get a say. :)

I'm overall pleased... particularly thrilled about the ADG increase but very tentative about the CDO thing. The devil is in the details with the language and we have to see that.
 
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BobDDuck said:
Normally. Something like that should be resolved with a phone call to the POI by the union leadership.
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Except that most of the POIs haven't even read Part 117, let alone know how to enforce it. We're pretty much entirely dependent on the FAA's legal counsel on this stuff. Thankfully they're responding in a matter of weeks or months instead of years.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
This is what pisses me off about "fly now grieve later." Here at RAH the company put out a memo about accepting FDP extensions exactly as you stated above. They know its going to be struck down, but until the hearing in July they're taking advantage of the situation. JR CA's are being rode hard and put away wet.
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dbrault17 said:
Isn't "fly now, grieve later" based on contractual disputes and not FAR legalities?
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but someone did it for me.

PIC concurrence is required, therefore, be the Captain...
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
The latest update does change with the latest interpretations. @kellwolf can probably give a better explanation of the previous company position, as I've been off line since 117 took effect.
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When it first came out, I THINK it was computed on a two hour extension, but the PIC and SIC still had to concur. 30 minutes was assumed automagically. Then they changed it where you were still on the hook for 30 minutes, but it computed the 30 minute extension in the ACARS rather than the 2 hour. Now, thankfully, it's to you have to concur AT THE TIME OF THE EXTENSION. Makes sense. If you can't forecast fatigue, you can't forecast if you're going to be rested in 10-14 hours, either.

Odd that our reserve limits are actually better than Delta's currently. Long call here is a 14 hour call out and reserve is 10 hours of availability. What REALLY needs to be addressed is the lack of ceiling on duty time if your day ends with a DH. Yeah, you're not flying, but it's still exhausting. Flew with a reserve CA the other day that got tagged for a 17:30 hour day once you factored in his reserve start time. Totally legal since it ended with a DH, which doesn't count as a FDP if it's on the back end of a trip. He started reserve at 3:20 am, 5:20 am show time for the trip, and his DH got him back around 8:00 pm. That's crazy nuts, but I haven't heard anything out of anywhere of anyone putting a cap on it. Not sure if Delta has a contract provision to limit that, but I'm hoping we can get one. Maybe we can get it in exchange for extending short call availability to 12 and lowering long call to a 13 hour call out.....
 
FYI. We have a 15 hour duty limit from start of reserve period. 11 hour scheduled duty limit if duty touches 230 am to 5am window. And 13 hour scheduled duty limit otherwise.
 
Yes, but the FAR's are up to interpretation. Our company (or its high priced lawyer that is) interprets it as X, the Local (or its a little less priced lawyer), interprets it as Y. Until the grievance is settled (in late July I think?) X wins so we have to deal with it. This issue is not a cut and dry issue, like say, 10 hrs. rest with 8 hours "behind the door," etc. etc.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Yes, but the FAR's are up to interpretation. Our company (or its high priced lawyer that is) interprets it as X, the Local (or its a little less priced lawyer), interprets it as Y. Until the grievance is settled (in late July I think?) X wins so we have to deal with it. This issue is not a cut and dry issue, like say, 10 hrs. rest with 8 hours "behind the door," etc. etc.
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Sure, but we ALL know that "automagically" getting a bonus 120min extension is bogus now.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Yes, but the FAR's are up to interpretation. Our company (or its high priced lawyer that is) interprets it as X, the Local (or its a little less priced lawyer), interprets it as Y. Until the grievance is settled (in late July I think?) X wins so we have to deal with it. This issue is not a cut and dry issue, like say, 10 hrs. rest with 8 hours "behind the door," etc. etc.
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There's no such thing as a grievance to deal with a FAR. Grievances deal only with contractual disputes.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Oh, just wait. Moak thinks he can buy votes this fall with another dues decrease. Nevermind how the MECs are actually supposed to get their work done without the money. :rolleyes:
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>>>>VOMIT<<<<

Do you think he still has the votes?
 
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