What is this plane worth?

splash333

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Hi everyone, I am new to this so just looking for some opinions on the value of this plane from some more experienced aviation folks. I am considering buying a plane to begin flight training and just happened across this one on craigslist. It is a 1962 c-150b. It just happened to be at the local airport 10min from my house. Anyway I met the guy who owned it the last 2 years, he was really cool and even took me up for about a half hour which was a pretty awesome experience as my first unofficial lesson. I am not sure if I would be better off renting or owning, but to me it seemed like a reasonable deal, what do you think. The only kind of bad thing he said was it would need an overhaul in about 200 hours, but I wouldnt necessarily have to do it right at 1800
 
Without being able to see it more closely & go through the records, It's worth about the asking price (room to haggle) if it's in decent condition (It looks okay from 40 feet away in the photos... but yeah... prebuy!). With 200 hours left on the engine you could definitely use it for your training and resell it and get $10k for it after a couple hundred hours of flying which works out to around $22.50 an hour just for access to the airplane. Gas would be another $25 an hour or so and another $20 or so an hour for maintenance. Then there's tiedown, insurance, interest if you're going to finance it, and property tax depending on where you live.

You don't save a whole lot over renting, but it's probably a little bit cheaper or the same and you have access to it whenever you want. But go into it with realistic expectations and open eyes.
 
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/for/4439675277.html

Hi everyone, I am new to this so just looking for some opinions on the value of this plane from some more experienced aviation folks. I am considering buying a plane to begin flight training and just happened across this one on craigslist. It is a 1962 c-150b. It just happened to be at the local airport 10min from my house. Anyway I met the guy who owned it the last 2 years, he was really cool and even took me up for about a half hour which was a pretty awesome experience as my first unofficial lesson. I am not sure if I would be better off renting or owning, but to me it seemed like a reasonable deal, what do you think. The only kind of bad thing he said was it would need an overhaul in about 200 hours, but I wouldnt necessarily have to do it right at 1800

The ad mentioned there are good compressions... I'm assuming at least in 70s. It seems like a semi-fair price for the aircraft, to answer your questions. You could probably get a little better for the money, paying a little more so you don't have to pay a lot more later. Those airplanes are really not complicated at all. Is it an age-out on the motor for overhaul?

Do a good pre-buy.. but it's not that bad of a deal for what it is.
 
As someone who has owned, I'd pass. In two years you will probably be in it for $30k at least and the plane won't be worth anywhere near that. Find one for a few thousand more with a better engine.
 
2300 total time but 1500 since engine over haul? Why did it get overhauled at around 800 total time?

I've seen similar aircraft sell for $12-15k with under 800-1000 smoh
 
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/for/4439675277.html

Hi everyone, I am new to this so just looking for some opinions on the value of this plane from some more experienced aviation folks. I am considering buying a plane to begin flight training and just happened across this one on craigslist. It is a 1962 c-150b. It just happened to be at the local airport 10min from my house. Anyway I met the guy who owned it the last 2 years, he was really cool and even took me up for about a half hour which was a pretty awesome experience as my first unofficial lesson. I am not sure if I would be better off renting or owning, but to me it seemed like a reasonable deal, what do you think. The only kind of bad thing he said was it would need an overhaul in about 200 hours, but I wouldnt necessarily have to do it right at 1800
You should buy by 150 I have for sale. Will be out of annual on Wednesday. 900hrs left until TBO and has been well taken care of. All logs since new. Have to see it.

Derek
 
I know there might be a better deal out there, but this plane being 10 min away is hard to resist. Being able to go out there and actually see it makes it really tempting. Ideally I would like to find a partner who is also wanting to learn and go in with me. I would not have 15000 to do an overhaul when the engine goes over 1800. He told me I can still fly it though without doing that. One thing was that its not ifr so would still have to rent for that if I continue. Another thing there is another place close buy where I can rent for 70 per hour wet. I guess I like the idea of owning though.


dhood---- how much is your plane and where is it?
 
I think students who buy a trainer, get their PP ticket and log maybe 100 hours in it before selling save a lot of money.

I saw a guy do that, sold it for what he paid for it and didn't own it long enough for an annual.

This plane may not be the right one due to total time on the engine. I'd keep looking.
 
if you're looking for something to learn how to fly, find something thats IFR certified, you will get much more use out of the plane, and the opportunity to lease back to a flight school is much greater.
 
I know there might be a better deal out there, but this plane being 10 min away is hard to resist. Being able to go out there and actually see it makes it really tempting. Ideally I would like to find a partner who is also wanting to learn and go in with me. I would not have 15000 to do an overhaul when the engine goes over 1800. He told me I can still fly it though without doing that. One thing was that its not ifr so would still have to rent for that if I continue. Another thing there is another place close buy where I can rent for 70 per hour wet. I guess I like the idea of owning though.


dhood---- how much is your plane and where is it?

I've been thinking both logically and emotionally about your situation as former 1966 vintage C150 owner and tempering it with the knowledge you aren't yet a private pilot. I welcome being wrong or ignored (and I sold mine 10 years ago so I'm probably off on prices), but I'd be remiss if I didn't share some of the things I learned along the way with my own experience.

Purchase price is only the beginning. You can find rural tie downs to park for 30 bucks a month, or you can pay 100K for a basic hangar or anything in between. I rented a simple hangar at a slower towered airport for 200 a month in a not exclusive area. Oil changes are about 150 a pop (not to mention they do eat oil at about .25 quarts an hour generally. Av oil is about 10 bucks a quart), I had the brakes replaced for 600 and the transponder worked on for 400. Annual inspections run at minimum 500 bucks. I was both fortunate and unfortunate on my first annual. The guy I bought it from had some shady annuals done, but I had an agreement with an A&P friend (do the work, parts at cost, fly it whenever just leave the tanks close to as full as when you took off). I was told my first annual would have cost 2,000, but it still cost 900. Not to mention you'll still burn about 5 gallons per hour at 4 to 6 a gallon.
Overhaul is something that generally can exceed TBO, but could happen before with bad compression. Obviously this isn't a used car you're driving until it stops working. When the gremlins start, it stays ground bound.

The other thing to consider is you aren't a pilot yet. This means two things. First, the whole convenience and fly whenever you want doesn't apply. The second often overlooked factor is you don't know what you need. Do you want to eventually carry more than one other person? If so look elsewhere. Are you or the potential person approaching 200 pounds? If so look elsewhere. You won't find a partner to go in with mostly because anyone looking at a partnership is looking to sacrifice scheduling for performance/budget and outside of a J3 cub, it doesn't get worse than a C150.

Also, you'd need to put enough hours on the plane PER YEAR to come out ahead on a year of cheap renting that you'd end up at TBO anyway to break even. Nobody is giving a seller 14 ish K on a plane that is due for a 10-15K overhaul when they could have a fresh 152 for less than the total cost and headache.

Another way of saying don't do it is this. Say you fly the pants off of this year one and save 1K over renting. You get lucky and it doesn't need an overhaul year two and you save 2K. You're three grand up. Does the engine rebuild happen year three? Probably. that's 12K. You're down 9K. If I'm a prospective partner I see the loss and I see it happening very soon. I don't want to be strapped to a C150 for 20 years to break even.
 
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As someone who is still in flight training and has considered exactly what you are considering, I would hold off until you have some hours. You may start training and realize you want a bit more room, a little bit more speed, or even that flying is not what you thought it was going to be. Its exciting at first, but don't let a 30 minute flight be the deciding factor on purchasing an airplane. If you do decide to go forward, line up a good A&P that is not in any way related to the seller and have them do a pre buy inspection. It will cost a bit up front, but may save you a lot of money down the road. Also, get a quote on insurance before you purchase and tell them that you will be receiving instruction in your own airplane. Good luck
 
Do a pre-buy with someone who hasn't worked on the plane before. Need to push 100+ hrs to make it worth it. Auto gas is nice but you will have to have a truck / tank to do it without making a mess and hazmat issue. IFR is my biggest concern. Hated having a plane to have it sit in a hanger when I was flying another one. What are hanger rents at 1G5? I see someone puts a DA42 on the ramp in the winter.
 
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thanks for all the advice everyone, especially you genot very helpful post. I suppose getting a ppl first may be the wisest move in the longrun. I think a tiedown is 50 and hangar 150, but they told me the hangars are full anyway.
 
thanks for all the advice everyone, especially you genot very helpful post. I suppose getting a ppl first may be the wisest move in the longrun. I think a tiedown is 50 and hangar 150, but they told me the hangars are full anyway.

I'm just bored in a hotel room (as I'll be for the next 6 days). I'm wondering what rents for 70 an hour wet. Sounds like the deal of the century, ill equipped and ideal to learn on.
 
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