left behind because of gate agent

[PhilosopherPilot]

It's a fill in the blank template, it takes longer for the CASS photo to display than it does to fill it out. I admit DLTerm isn't the most intuitive system to use, but I've used SABRE, SHARES, PARS, DLTerm, and a few others and quite honestly in their native state none of the 1960 era systems are any more/less user unfriendly than the rest.

Are you sure it's a template? Last time I rode in Delta it was a long strong of characters in DL term. PJS######### etc. It didn't look easy. Plus they still have to input your passport information manually. Every. Single. Time. I get why they hate jumpseaters.

 

[ERfly]

You're talking about chimes and sterile cockpit, right? Not approach mins? Our sterile cockpit is AGL as well... logical when you're in and out of a lot of very high altitude airports.

My best friend is at US and going through the conversion, too... he can no longer do PAs, their pushback procedures are several cans short of a six pack, and their checklists and operating methods are straight out of the 60s. What a strange strange place...

Eh, the AGL thing, I can see…especially into some place like DEN. The no longer being qualified to make PAs, seat the F/As, etc thing, I don't get it. That's the 'Murican way, though. That's the way it was done on the Electra, so that's the way we keep doing it.

I rode home with a TWA crew the other night and the Captain showed me in their FOM a line that horrified, but yet didn't surprise me. It was something to the effect of, "The First Officer is to offer his input to the Captain. The Captain may disregard this information." or something like that.

 

[Seggy]

They are still using AGL for approach mins?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Seggy]

Our sterile cockpit is AGL as well... logical when you're in and out of a lot of very high altitude airports.

Wait.


Are these airports in Alaska?

 

[skyw82]

Eh, the AGL thing, I can see…especially into some place like DEN. The no longer being qualified to make PAs, seat the F/As, etc thing, I don't get it. That's the 'Murican way, though. That's the way it was done on the Electra, so that's the way we keep doing it.

I rode home with a TWA crew the other night and the Captain showed me in their FOM a line that horrified, but yet didn't surprise me. It was something to the effect of, "The First Officer is to offer his input to the Captain. The Captain may disregard this information." or something like that.

I've never been a PA guy so i'm happy I don't need to stutter my way through them anymore. Nobody could ever hear me anyway since I refused to use the hand phone thing and used the button on the radio panel.

I am happy to see the "Please stay seated till the captain turns the seat belt sign off" pa that you do right as the captain turns the seat belt sign off thing didn't make it to us.

They are still using AGL for approach mins?!?!?!?!?!?

yes...

I think the AGL thing is because of the cali crash a few years ago.

You're talking about chimes and sterile cockpit, right? Not approach mins? Our sterile cockpit is AGL as well... logical when you're in and out of a lot of very high altitude airports.

My best friend is at US and going through the conversion, too... he can no longer do PAs, their pushback procedures are several cans short of a six pack, and their checklists and operating methods are straight out of the 60s. What a strange strange place...

Yes it's pretty stupid that most of our procedures are based on common sense but we're having to move to theirs. It's part of the "adopt and go" thing. They are doing it that way because it's the quickest way to get soc which is what parker and company want. Never mind the fact that the apa vs usapa thing could drag this out another few years again.

Either way once they do get soc I expect lots of swift changes back to the awe way especially since all the guys in charge of that stuff are awe people.

 

[L-16B]

I've never been a PA guy so i'm happy I don't need to stutter my way through them anymore. Nobody could ever hear me anyway since I refused to use the hand phone thing and used the button on the radio panel.

I am happy to see the "Please stay seated till the captain turns the seat belt sign off" pa that you do right as the captain turns the seat belt sign off thing didn't make it to us.



yes...

I think the AGL thing is because of the cali crash a few years ago.



Yes it's pretty stupid that most of our procedures are based on common sense but we're having to move to theirs. It's part of the "adopt and go" thing. They are doing it that way because it's the quickest way to get soc which is what parker and company want. Never mind the fact that the apa vs usapa thing could drag this out another few years again.

Either way once they do get soc I expect lots of swift changes back to the awe way especially since all the guys in charge of that stuff are awe people.

"DOH!!!"

 

[ERfly]

I've never been a PA guy so i'm happy I don't need to stutter my way through them anymore. Nobody could ever hear me anyway since I refused to use the hand phone thing and used the button on the radio panel.

I don't agree with the Captain making PAs while we're taxiing out, especially with our big anti-runway incursion push.

I am happy to see the "Please stay seated till the captain turns the seat belt sign off" pa that you do right as the captain turns the seat belt sign off thing didn't make it to us.

YET…It hasn't made it to us YET.

Yes it's pretty stupid that most of our procedures are based on common sense but we're having to move to theirs. It's part of the "adopt and go" thing. They are doing it that way because it's the quickest way to get soc which is what parker and company want. Never mind the fact that the apa vs usapa thing could drag this out another few years again.

Either way once they do get soc I expect lots of swift changes back to the awe way especially since all the guys in charge of that stuff are awe people.

BS is a former US guy, not West. He's the head of training for the new airline. I hope we go back to a simpler way of doing things. The Flight guys, though, are AA. It may be hard convincing them to change and give up ancestry worship.

 

[ERfly]

They are still using AGL for approach mins?!?!?!?!?!?

If you're thinking of QFE, no, thank God. They got rid of that about 10-15 year ago…finally.

 

[Karnage]

Are you sure it's a template? Last time I rode in Delta it was a long strong of characters in DL term. PJS######### etc. It didn't look easy. Plus they still have to input your passport information manually. Every. Single. Time. I get why they hate jumpseaters.

If the agent is AQA'ed into the flight (and if you are at the gate for that flight, they are), it's just PJS*. When the PID template pops up all that's needed is the sex and birthdate. Only if the PID template displays a second time is the full passport info required. It takes me a whole 30 seconds to process a jumpseater, the longest part is usually waiting for the CASS photo to display.

 

[PhilosopherPilot]

If the agent is AQA'ed into the flight (and if you are at the gate for that flight, they are), it's just PJS*. When the PID template pops up all that's needed is the sex and birthdate. Only if the PID template displays a second time is the full passport info required. It takes me a whole 30 seconds to process a jumpseater, the longest part is usually waiting for the CASS photo to display.

For some reason the gate agents always enter all of my information from my passport every time. Maybe some don't realize it's not required?

 

[Karnage]

For some reason the gate agents always enter all of my information from my passport every time. Maybe some don't realize it's not required?

Probably, I know I had to explain it a few times to fellow agents and even my supervisor that the full data is not required unless the screen comes up a second time after inputting the sex and date of birth.

It really is not that hard to list a jumpseater in DLTerm and outside of having to remember that legacy ASA guys are EV and use the PPR and legacy ExpressJet are XE and just use the PPR but without the trailing 00s and the whole American and Envoy are both in under AA it's not that hard.

Oh, and for the DCI guys, if it's your metal, the jumpseat is already taken, and you haven't paid your annual activation fee, have the gate agent list you for the FA jumpseat. Yes, I know there actually isn't one you can use, but often times it will place you on the airport list as a JSA for a seat in the back and not ask for the activation fee to be paid. I've had some limited success with it getting two SkyWest guys onto the plane when neither has paid their annual fee.

 

[Seggy]

Hmmmmmmmmmm......

According to @SurferLucas Georgia is supposed to be 'known' for their hospitality, yet there is a common theme in this thread about Gate Agents at a large Georgian airport not bring hospitable?!?!! Surely you must ALL be mistaken!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Hmmmmmmmmmm......

According to @SurferLucas Georgia is supposed to be 'known' for their hospitality, yet there is a common theme in this thread about Gate Agents at a large Georgian airport not bring hospitable?!?!! Surely you must ALL be mistaken!

Er...well...

"The rest of the year, however..."

 

[derg]

The Atlanta airport concession is "Hi pilot, you suck, no discount, that'll be $9 for your sandwich and half-filled soft drink when I get off the phone with my boo".

 

[SurferLucas]

Hmmmmmmmmmm......

According to @SurferLucas Georgia is supposed to be 'known' for their hospitality, yet there is a common theme in this thread about Gate Agents at a large Georgian airport not bring hospitable?!?!! Surely you must ALL be mistaken!

Southerner's are known for being hospitable, this is a well known/documented fact. Should we all assume that "People from Jersey are trash" because of what we see on the idiot box? Or should we judge you for your own merits?

ATL's workers (by and large) are not indicative of Southerner's. Troll along...troll along

 

[derg]

Southerner's are known for being hospitable, this is a well known/documented fact. Should we all assume that "People from Jersey are trash" because of what we see on the idiot box? Or should we judge you for your own merits?

ATL's workers (by and large) are not indicative of Southerner's. Troll along...troll along

Should be, though. You're not only representing KATL, you're representing Atlanta, and Georgia and also to some, the United States.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

One of my favorite descriptions of the NW/DL merger was "It's a perfect combination of Southern Ingenuity and Northern Hospitality."

That being said, remember that the most of ATL airport workers are the finest individuals from the ghetto surrounding the airport and not exactly representative of the local population. Heck, look at MSP... there's like 10 black people in the entire state and they all work at the airport. (now they have all quit and are in the movie business after Captain Phillips)

I've yet to run into guys that have had issues with jumpseating (though it does happen)... lately I've routinely had both jumpseats filled. I'm assuming most of the issues are in the C and D concourses like they have been in the past.

 

[ASpilot2be]

The Atlanta airport concession is "Hi pilot, you suck, no discount, that'll be $9 for your sandwich and half-filled soft drink when I get off the phone with my boo".

Gotta love the west coast! I have gotten discounts in Vegas, Seattle, and Anchorage. Even using the ID from my small company.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

The Atlanta airport concession is "Hi pilot, you suck, no discount, that'll be $9 for your sandwich and half-filled soft drink when I get off the phone with my boo".

FWIW, now that the maynard jackson mafia no longer controls the concessions, many more places give discounts and it's far better food.

 

[Kingairer]

The Atlanta airport concession is "Hi pilot, you suck, no discount, that'll be $9 for your sandwich and half-filled soft drink when I get off the phone with my boo".

With the exception of popeyes . "Hey baby, welcome to popeyes!".