Part Time Airline Pilots

ATN_Pilot said:
Airline. We have a "call first/call last" reserve system, so if you're senior and bid "call last," then you don't get called to fly unless the world is coming to an end. I actually just went non-current after going more than 90 days without flying, so I'm going to the sim on Monday.
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Is it also because your actively doing a lot of union work? (obviously per your postings in other threads)

Or just because you've gone that far out of your way not to fly?

@propsync due to the current shortage at the regional level allowing part-time pilots would make this worse for the airline...
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
@propsync due to the current shortage at the regional level allowing part-time pilots would make this worse for the airline...
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I see what you are saying. I wonder if $10,000 signing bonus's are going to be enough to bring pilots back that have the hours and ATP. Since I'm now self employed, that remains my number 1 priority, the airlines could never pay enough for me to want fly more than part time.
 
You will not find "part time" pilots at an airline. That is, pilots whose employment status is "part time". Yes, there are some who are able to work the scheduling system to essentially be part time, but they are not classified as part time. And the things they do to have that schedule won't work for everyone. For example, the seniority based RSV system doesn't exist everywhere, and where it does, you have to be SENIOR to make that work.
 
I can't wait for the first time some who considers themselves "part time" tells the company that "Oh, I'm doing a shift tonight, I can't come in" :)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Well, I only flew 80 hours last year. That seemed pretty part time. :)
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ATN_Pilot said:
Because that won't last.
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Typical union mentality. Yeah, god forbid you actually have to fly a normal amount to get paid. Imagine that. Being an airline pilot, and they are expecting you to fly?! Crazy, I know.

Good riddance. I'm assuming SWAPA has already seen your ALPA antics for what they were. Otherwise, unions are unions, and there's no reason why could couldn't gun yourself running into a SWAPA position with the right amount of effort.
 
BL is, a reserve airline pilot, isn't the same thing as a AF or USN reservist pilot.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Typical union mentality. Yeah, god forbid you actually have to fly a normal amount to get paid. Imagine that. Being an airline pilot, and they are expecting you to fly?! Crazy, I know.

Good riddance. I'm assuming SWAPA has already seen your ALPA antics for what they were. Otherwise, unions are unions, and there's no reason why could couldn't gun yourself running into a SWAPA position with the right amount of effort.
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Do you like just saying things that, I can only assume, make you hard?

He's a reserve pilot that bids call me last. There were several people at the last company who did the same thing. If they flew 50 hours a year I would be surprised. Not everyone likes to fly 1000 hours a year.
 
amorris311 said:
Do you like just saying things that, I can only assume, make you hard?

He's a reserve pilot that bids call me last. There were several people at the last company who did the same thing. If they flew 50 hours a year I would be surprised. Not everyone likes to fly 1000 hours a year.
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No, it's not that. It's the whole 'quitting now because this isn't what I thought it should be.' Good for him for having a side business that pays better. But lets not forget the current employer is the highest paying 737 operator in the world. In the airline pilot world, what more could you ask for than working for the most stable and highest paying company? And I said nothing about flying 1000 hours a year. But come on, 80 hrs and then complaining that it is likely to change? We all signed up for this job to be paid to fly a plane. Living in base and bidding reserve is golden when you are not used and only fly 80 hrs in a year. But tell me that no one entered this field hanging onto that hope of getting paid to sit home and thinking they'd ride some sort of gravy train?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
No, it's not that. It's the whole 'quitting now because this isn't what I thought it should be.' Good for him for having a side business that pays better. But lets not forget the current employer is the highest paying 737 operator in the world. In the airline pilot world, what more could you ask for than working for the most stable and highest paying company? And I said nothing about flying 1000 hours a year. But come on, 80 hrs and then complaining that it is likely to change? We all signed up for this job to be paid to fly a plane. Living in base and bidding reserve is golden when you are not used and only fly 80 hrs in a year. But tell me that no one entered this field hanging onto that hope of getting paid to sit home and thinking they'd ride some sort of gravy train?
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propsync said:
I wouldn't be living off the salary, as I said in the original posting, I own an IT company.
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The problem with guys wanting to fly for an airline who don't need the money is they have a different viewpoint from those pilots who rely on a paycheck from the airline. If you only want to fly because you love flying so much, are you willing to support those pilots who are economically tied to the company when push comes to shove with management?
 
Cptnchia said:
The problem with guys wanting to fly for an airline who don't need the money is they have a different viewpoint from those pilots who rely on a paycheck from the airline. If you only want to fly because you love flying so much, are you willing to support those pilots who are economically tied to the company when push comes to shove with management?
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Quite honestly, I would think he would be in an even better position to tell management to shove it. Too many pilots don't have marketable skills outside aviation, and that puts them in a weaker position in my opinion.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Is it also because your actively doing a lot of union work? (obviously per your postings in other threads)
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Nah, I barely get any FPL nowadays. I had a handful of union leave days last year, but not many. So far this year it's only been three or four days. Most EVPs are full time line pilots and only get bought off for meetings a few times a year.

Or just because you've gone that far out of your way not to fly?
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Yep, top 25% of the FOs, bidding call last on reserve. Pretty much a recipe for time off.
 
GypsyPilot said:
Quite honestly, I would think he would be in an even better position to tell management to shove it. Too many pilots don't have marketable skills outside aviation, and that puts them in a weaker position in my opinion.
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Yeah, again, I agree with @GypsyPilot. During our SLI fiasco, the guys who didn't need the money were willing to stand up for themselves, and the guys who had four kids and a stay-at-home wife who needed 90 hours a month to get by were willing to do ANYTHING to avoid even the slightest bit of risk. Being desperate for a pay check will turn a man into a coward. Having a backup plan is how to really have leverage.
 
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