Rude ATC
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Vector4Food
This job would be easier without all the airplanes
If an airline guy was that smug on the frequency he should expect the same
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
I was in the Jumpseat once (no really I was) going into atlanta and the captain got a turn, speed, and Alt change by the appr controller. He wasn't ready for it and kinda just threw out a read back and it happened to be all wrong and mixed. The controller came back with a stern "hey do me a favor and DoNT GUESs!" It was awesome and we all got a laugh.
"VFR traffic calling remain clear of SNA class charlie airspace."
queeno
Ward of the Guberment
In my 30 years i dont think i had words on the freq more that 10 times if that many but i tell you there were many times where it would have been justified , i was more of the passive aggressive type. ie
SWA on ILS approach and assigned 170kts to the marker and reads it back, ground speed dose not jive with what everyone is doing.
SWA123 say speed.
Well we had to slow to 140.(without telling me leaving me with out the proper spacing on final with other aircraft )
SWA123 cancel approach clrn turn right heading XXX vectors back for ILS XX speed your discretion. (never mention he wasnt doing speed i assigned)
SWA now gets a nice tour of the Gary steel works and the south shore.
The way i look at it iam not the FAR police and we are all human plus iam a great believer in KARMA, if i screw up i expect the pilot to let me know so i can fix it, and if the pilot screws up than i fix and go on. I live under the no harm no foul method of ATC.
SWA on ILS approach and assigned 170kts to the marker and reads it back, ground speed dose not jive with what everyone is doing.
SWA123 say speed.
Well we had to slow to 140.(without telling me leaving me with out the proper spacing on final with other aircraft )
SWA123 cancel approach clrn turn right heading XXX vectors back for ILS XX speed your discretion. (never mention he wasnt doing speed i assigned)
SWA now gets a nice tour of the Gary steel works and the south shore.
The way i look at it iam not the FAR police and we are all human plus iam a great believer in KARMA, if i screw up i expect the pilot to let me know so i can fix it, and if the pilot screws up than i fix and go on. I live under the no harm no foul method of ATC.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Thats how I roll. But I discovered live and let live is a rare thing in aviation. Thanks for being cool.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
"Son, do you hear how fast I'm talking? That's about how fast I can listen. Say again all after 'Buzzsaw 5477...'"
If someone heard you say THAT to a pilot, and there was no Brasher or supervisor notification to actually report the PD? You're screwed...
In this case the only thing that would take the focus off failure to report the pilot deviation would be the failure to report the identified risk to the NAS. It would be ugly.
Given the a choice of having a conversation with my supervisor about a snarky remark or a failure to report, I'll pick the snarky remark.
Vector4Food
This job would be easier without all the airplanes
FYI also
We let pilots skate in mistakes many times, as long as they are professional about it and understand the error, we don't go filing paperwork.
As was said , no harm no foul, but maybe a polite "please don't do that again"
Altitude busts and GNE however are always reported since it will come back to us
We let pilots skate in mistakes many times, as long as they are professional about it and understand the error, we don't go filing paperwork.
As was said , no harm no foul, but maybe a polite "please don't do that again"
Altitude busts and GNE however are always reported since it will come back to us
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Your gut is wrong.
Flying into ORD, EWR, LGA, etc., I've heard folks talked 'snarkily' before. For example, last week with an hour and forty five minute taxi delays in EWR and folks are asking their 'sequence' got a great reply from the ground controller.
It's called developing a thick skin.
GolfChuck
Trustworthy Source
I just wanted to add, if you get a clearance that doesn't sound right like the guy who got the "Turn left 1-8-0" clearance, something as simple as adding "confirm" into your read back (confirm left heading 1-8-0?). A common instance would be getting a right turn to a heading, when a left turn would be the more direct turn to that heading. We controllers make mistakes to, and adding confirm into the read back is professional and can alleviate a lot of headaches.
spades9048
Well-Known Member
Here's the thing...
Controllers have their 1% that nobody wants to deal with but you guys do too.
Some people just wake up and look for the nearest person they can tick off. It's just how they operate. Deal with it, move on, and just feel sorry that they're the way they are. I've had pilots get snippy but it doesn't make me think any less of pilots in general. Like I said, 1%...every group has them.
Controllers have their 1% that nobody wants to deal with but you guys do too.
Some people just wake up and look for the nearest person they can tick off. It's just how they operate. Deal with it, move on, and just feel sorry that they're the way they are. I've had pilots get snippy but it doesn't make me think any less of pilots in general. Like I said, 1%...every group has them.
A Life Aloft
Well-Known Member
In reality, when things go tits up and ATC clears you a spot, calls rescue, and stays with you all the way down while being as proactive, cooperative, reassuring, steady, supportive, and professional as all hell, you'll forget about the handful of stressed out, bad days they might be having where it shows or the very few of them who may have some issues.
genot
Well-Known Member
I wish Communicating for Safety was more of an industry wide event. Every time I've been its been an amazing way to connect with pilots, scientists and the makers of tomorrow's technology. On my way back this year I told my wife the crew of our aircraft must have flown for a now defunct airline and the Captain must be getting on in years (based strictly on equipment and what I've learned from here). Sure enough the pre descent cabin announcement includes its the Captain's second to last trip (our leg home was on another later flight) and documents briefly his career at two home grown majors before being acquired by another .
Shaking that man's hand at the jet bridge was an honor for me. I had the opportunity to thank him for the many favors he had to have done me in training.
Shaking that man's hand at the jet bridge was an honor for me. I had the opportunity to thank him for the many favors he had to have done me in training.
Screaming_Emu
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fholbert
Mod's - Please don't edit my posts!
Clearly the pilot was IFR, he just came out of the clouds. It's dark and he's looking for a dark spot on the ground. Could be hard to find.
If the FAA is going to put a airport in class B, C or D airspace they better have time for VFR.
GolfChuck
Trustworthy Source
LOL FAA Management