Rude ATC

Nobody calls out the smart ass remark...

"Just wanted a little help"

So, the pilot got what he needed, instead of reading back "Roger heading 150" He adds a snarky remark?

How is this the controller being rude? He did his job, professionally and was met with a smart ass answer.

If the pilot would have done HIS job and just read back the clearance, all would have been over with.
 
Seems like it could have been handled better on both sides. No biggie really, they both said what they wanted to and the world continues to turn.
 
Seggy said:
Until they start paying their fair share, I have little sympathy for the 135 guys.

Anyway, the noise curfew into SNA is a big deal. I care that I get my passengers into SNA before I have to divert to LAX. I am glad the controller was professional enough to understand the importance of this.
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Our Jet-A costs just as much as your Jet-A.
 
Y'all take up the same amount of airspace as we do. You should pay as much as we do for that.
 
Vector4Food said:
Nobody calls out the smart ass remark...

"Just wanted a little help"

So, the pilot got what he needed, instead of reading back "Roger heading 150" He adds a snarky remark?

How is this the controller being rude? He did his job, professionally and was met with a smart ass answer.

If the pilot would have done HIS job and just read back the clearance, all would have been over with.
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I didn't get the sense that the pilot was being a smart ass. It sounded like he was reacting to the controller acting like he did something wrong.

Both should have let it go, though.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Yeah, except I expect more from professionals and public emoloyees.
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He did his job, and offered a vector as asked. Professionally I might add. If pilots want to act aloof on the frequency, it's going to come right back to them.

I listened to this tape expecting to hear an arrogant controller (I admit there are MANY) I didn't, I heard a pilot who acted aloof and arrogant after a controller gave him EXACTLY what he wanted.

What do you expect the controller to do?

He assumed the pilot had no knowledge of the airspace based on his remarks (I would have as well) and gave him a brief understanding as to why controllers don't always have time for VFR flights.

It was professional. Just because you don't like the answer a controller gives you, it doesn't make it unprofessional.

He could have worded "Hold your hand" differently, but that's exactly what he was doing.
 
[QUOTE="Vector4Food, post: 2269018, member: 7464"

He could have worded "Hold your hand" differently, but that's exactly what he was doing.[/QUOTE]

And when you signed on the dotted line, that's exactly what you signed up for.
 
gotWXdagain said:
[QUOTE="Vector4Food, post: 2269018, member: 7464"

He could have worded "Hold your hand" differently, but that's exactly what he was doing.
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And when you signed on the dotted line, that's exactly what you signed up for.[/QUOTE]
I agree

Controllers are human though

I've heard of much worse, but for more justifiable means.
 
Vector4Food said:
He did his job, and offered a vector as asked. Professionally I might add. If pilots want to act aloof on the frequency, it's going to come right back to them.

I listened to this tape expecting to hear an arrogant controller (I admit there are MANY) I didn't, I heard a pilot who acted aloof and arrogant after a controller gave him EXACTLY what he wanted.

What do you expect the controller to do?

He assumed the pilot had no knowledge of the airspace based on his remarks (I would have as well) and gave him a brief understanding as to why controllers don't always have time for VFR flights.

It was professional. Just because you don't like the answer a controller gives you, it doesn't make it unprofessional.

He could have worded "Hold your hand" differently, but that's exactly what he was doing.
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If a controller told me that they didn't have time to hold my hand like that I would have tested his relationship with his supervisor.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
If a controller told me that they didn't have time to hold my hand like that I would have tested his relationship with his supervisor.
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Ahhhh, I believe the FAR is clear that the controller doesn't have to hold your hand if you are VFR and it is 'workload permitting'.

You would be barking up the wrong tree.
 
Maybe it's old age, but I probably would have just let it go.

If you think that's snarky, try Frankfurt approach during rush hour.

This is classic. You're about 1000' AFE, final approach, fully configured and the runway is clear. You're getting a little concerned that he's forgotten your landing clearance:

(And just trying to be friendly, but proactive as ain't nobody got time for a go-around)

"Frankfurt, confirm SouthernJets 123 cleared to land?"

"Obviously not as I have not cleared you to land. Did you hear me clear you?"

"Negative"

(five seconds later)

"SouthernJets 123, you are NOW cleared to land. You may want to check your 'Victor 1' upon block in."
 
Controller acted like a Richard, and the pilot responded like one. No biggie.


I once got yelled at and phone number'd by Seattle approach for not making a crossing restriction that we weren't assigned. Sometimes people do dumb things.
 
Derg said:
Maybe it's old age, but I probably would have just let it go.

If you think that's snarky, try Frankfurt approach during rush hour.

This is classic. You're about 1000' AFE, final approach, fully configured and the runway is clear. You're getting a little concerned that he's forgotten your landing clearance:

(And just trying to be friendly, but proactive as ain't nobody got time for a go-around)

"Frankfurt, confirm SouthernJets 123 cleared to land?"

"Obviously not as I have not cleared you to land. Did you hear me clear you?"

"Negative"

(five seconds later)

"SouthernJets 123, you are NOW cleared to land. You may want to check your 'Victor 1' upon block in."
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I'm reading that with the controller having a German accent - sort of like Hans Gruber in "Die Hard" and thinking that I would be cowering in my little FO seat after that exchange....
 
Seggy said:
Ahhhh, I believe the FAR is clear that the controller doesn't have to hold your hand if you are VFR and it is 'workload permitting'.

You would be barking up the wrong tree.
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I'm well aware of the FAR. The controller could have said, "just a reminder, assistance to VFR traffic is workload-permitting" instead of being a jerk, in my opinion.

There's no evidence that the pilot didn't know the FAR, and the fact that he called it "help" suggests he did.

That said, I've always been pretty contrite and honest with controllers when attempting stupid pilot tricks. While I don't like the controller's response in this case, I think my own approach would have kept it from escalating. My request would have sounded more like a plead than a demand. I don't want to be the cause of a controller's bad day or make a bad day worse.

But, like you said, we don't know the backstory.
 
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