Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

MikeD said:
That's all very possible. All I'm saying is that there is much we don't know right now, or maybe isn't even known. But yes, what you write above is certainly something that while I can't prove it, I can't discount it happening either. Just need evidence either way.....and that may come out in time.
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I have just posted a link that shows the tapes were reviewed within 36 hours and that the military say that their data SUGGESTS that the plane may have turned around and made it to the Straits of Malacca -
1. The report was 36 hours after the aircraft went missing and the tapes had been reviewed by then!!!
2. Am image attributed to the BBC shows the Straits of Malacca being included in the search area on the 9th
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My opinion, for what it is worth, that stretching the search on a hunch and a may have is actually commendable and was decided upon very quickly even though the prime and initial search area was still ongoing.

Maybe we can blame the media and the improper use of the English language to change the underlying message.
 
Ok here's some rather compelling information which really means nothing as far as finding out what happened... but it's "evidence"


radar and radio contact was lost at about 01:22L
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flown past the east coast near Khota Baru and the west coast of Malaysia near Kedah, the radar return was last seen at 02:40L near Pulau Perak in the Straits of Malacca, about 285nm from last known position
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Thats 1:18 to fly 285NM?

That's an average speed of around 220 knots... unless I'm not good at math, which (disclaimer) I'm not.

Since I've already gone down Speculation alley, that's a reasonable speed for a 777 which may have descended below 10,000 feet after a problem
 
Back to the regularly scheduled program...
1) Has anybody heard what the winds were doing that night? Was there a ceiling? What was the illumination?
2) Some talking heads are running with the total electrical failure/dead reckoning theory. If so, what's the bat time on the standby instruments? 30 min? What is run by the RAT? Seems like with DR, the coast line...heck both coast lines...would have been good linear boundaries. Back to the winds, they would have had an idea what their time enroute would have been because they just came that way (that pesky math ;) ). I dunno. To me, that whole DR theory doesn't add up right now.
 
Ok so Im watching the NBC Nightly News and apparently the Malaysian military said they did track the airplane for AN HOUR after its original last reported position, heading way off course? At first they said they didnt have any information? Why wasnt that reported right away? There seems to be some serious mis-communication and other incompetence going on here.
 
SeanD said:
Ok so Im watching the NBC Nightly News and apparently the Malaysian military said they did track the airplane for AN HOUR after its original last reported position, heading way off course? At first they said they didnt have any information? Why wasnt that reported right away? There seems to be some serious communication problems and other incompetence going on here.
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I'll probably get in trouble for this, but it reminds me of this statement:

"There's right. And then there's India right"
 
canadian_atc said:
Definitely not in modern times.
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I do remember this one - at the risk of showing age it is probably the first accident I remember 1968:

The aircraft disappeared at hand over to London ATC - who never made contact with the plane (?) - but received jumbled reports taken to mean "Descending rapidly" - wreckage was spotted and ships sent but found nothing - question at the time was how did an airplane just fall out of the sky in broad daylight - the flight path could not be reconciled with two alleged transmissions - the plane spun twice and recovered and flew erratically (eye witness) - wreckage was found the next day but the cause remains "unknown" -

It was actually rather creepy reading these again... it was daylight and over land and seen - so location was easier - reports of crashing with a target drone and an non existent Fouga Magister add to the mystery as does the missing maintenance records.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_712
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19680324-0
 
NiallG said:
I do remember this one - at the risk of showing age it is probably the first accident I remember 1968:

The aircraft disappeared at hand over to London ATC - who never made contact with the plane (?) - but received jumbled reports taken to mean "Descending rapidly" - wreckage was spotted and ships sent but found nothing - question at the time was how did an airplane just fall out of the sky in broad daylight - the flight path could not be reconciled with two alleged transmissions - the plane spun twice and recovered and flew erratically (eye witness) - wreckage was found the next day but the cause remains "unknown" -

It was actually rather creepy reading these again... it was daylight and over land and seen - so location was easier - reports of crashing with a target drone and an non existent Fouga Magister add to the mystery as does the missing maintenance records.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_712
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19680324-0
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Creepy...hadn't heard of that one. There are plenty of accidents with significant fatalities that remain unsolved, especially in Southeast Asia and the former USSR. There are also a few here in the states, like a United 727 that crashed into Lake Michigan with the wreckage never being found.
 
At 220 knots of average airspeed after lost contact, I have a hard time buying a "suicide" or "hijack" theory.

Assuming that information is accurate, and the last radar hit WAS MAS370, then to me, that's indicative of a flight crew lost and flying blind.

Complete speculation if that's not obvious
 
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