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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Awesome. You just can't make this crap up. I say everyone just lets the STW Taliban take over every regional MEC/EBoard for the next five years and watch the results. Maybe after everyone sees the utter disaster that follows, we'll have an entire generation of pilots who actually understands the importance of electing people with brains.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
You mean people like Moak?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Moak has many problems. But he does understand bargaining. I'll give him that.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
I've already acknowledged I was mistaken. But that's not enough for you, is it?
There are people trying to raise the bar in this industry- your only interest seems to be trying to kick those people- so bugger off.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
No, my interest is your abundance of Eagle threads. I am fully in support of raising the bar but I also know Facebook campaigns and rah rah threads on internet forums do not produce results because they are not the proper channels. Now scram child, your ball is rolling into the street. Go get it.
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Screaming_Emu
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I'm not seeing the same results that you're seeing.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Then you aren't looking. New contracts at DAL, FDX, and Alaska all followed the same model of understanding how the Board works and understanding the time value of money. Moak doesn't get the credit for it, because national doesn't control bargaining, but his philosophy (which is really Bruce York's philosophy) on bargaining is what has allowed those kinds of gains without sitting in bargaining for years upon years.
Binet-Simon
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
It's pretty simple. I'm saying that the complete idiots in the "Stop the Whipsaw" crowd should be given what they want: control of their unions. Let them be in charge of bargaining and everything else for a few years, since they seem to think that they know more than the people who actually have the experience. The end result will be so catastrophic that all of the thousands of pilots who witness it will never again in their careers vote for such ignorant, radical fools. Maybe then, when the radical nutcases no longer hold sway over the masses, the profession would finally be able to move forward with experienced leadership in place.
Binet-Simon
Well-Known Member
So your view is that STW is a radical group/idea and that the traditional union (association) leadership strategy should prevail? Are the two mutually exclusive?
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Yes, my view is that the STW group is very radical, inexperienced, and unrealistic. I originally joined their Facebook page because their stated goal seemed pretty good, but when they started advocating for things like jumpseat wars against PSA pilots, that did it.
Binet-Simon
Well-Known Member
Was it the STW group that advocated a jumpseat war or someone who "liked" STW that posted a comment on the page that advocated a jumpseat war?
If you believe that the STW group had good intentions initially; I'll ask again, do you believe that the traditional union advocacy and STW are mutually exclusive? Is the divide too great or is there common ground to move forward? (Irrespective of the FFDC)
I ask you because of your involvement in the union and your experience. I'm genuinely curious of your views.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
The comments advocating the jumpseat war may have been from "fans." However, the original posts that attacked the PSA pilots were official updates on the page.
Yes, I believe that they are mutually exclusive. Outside groups serve only to create division rather than build unity. That's always been the case, and I don't know why I felt that this time would be different. I figured out quickly that it wasn't.
HVYMETALDRVR
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Hey guys I just got back from vacation to the new TA popping up in my email... fun fun fun. No not really, is there an option to vote 'hell naw?'
They pretty much make up for the loss of credit from Part 117, they don't really give a pay raise.
They pretty much make up for the loss of credit from Part 117, they don't really give a pay raise.
HVYMETALDRVR
Well-Known Member
A couple of holes that I've found while thumbing through the actual TA wording:
1. 125% pay awarded over 87 hrs. Sounds great, but the contractual language only counts flight time and dead head pay. So training pay for ground school, reserve guarantee, and holiday pay aren't added to this. Its pretty hard to actually fly and dh over 87hrs and still have a life with days off.
2. If reserve coverage its at least 10% system-wide for CAs and FOs, said pilot must be allowed to drop a trip if he/she wants. So for ex. if there are 400 bid lines system-wide and 40 reserve spread through-out all bases to cover them, sked must allow you to drop the trip. Sounds good, but this is all a big mystery here, pilots have zero access to the sked software to see if the company is being truthful. I've been here almost two years and caught crewsked in two outright lies.
3. Reserve language, in our old contract reserves are supposed to be called in reverse seniority but the actual language also says "at the needs of the company" (I'm paraphrasing here since its not in front of me) so they can call in whatever order they want. This is a big hole and after sifting through I didn't see any improvements here, this is a basic standard that even most regionals have. Plus, like I said everything is a big mystery here, no access to see if a reserve pilot is on deck or not.
a. Long Call vs. Short Call Reserve, the new language has a LCR, great, but there is no language which requires the company to use it, plus there's a stipulation that if given 12 hours notice you can be put back on to SCR regardless of seniority... POINTLESS
4. Pilot must now be contactable by the company while on duty. Reserves must call crewsked to be released, its always been like that, but lineholders must be fully contactable? This IS a concession. Furthermore, to add salt, the new language also says, and it's a bit vague; but that if you check our sked/bidding website called flica, your automatically notified. They don't even have to call you. Super sketchy.
5. No improvements to medical insurance or negotiations in this area at all. Company covers 65%, but no cap. This can very easily soak up our pay raises.
6. Co-basing for NYC, I'll re-read the actual language later, but read: based in LGA and get into EWR at 0130 for a 12 hr. overnight? No hotel for you! This is an another CONCESSION.
7. 26/hr first year FO pay... Numerous prior company and IBT proposals actually agreed on first year FO pay being 30/hr. 26 is better than 22.95, but only in the same ballpark at, Xjet, and Eagle, not better. They'll probably have to keep giving new hire bonuses at this rate. Plus, were short of SkyW and Horizon. I don't see this fixing our staffing problems or perking much extra interest...
There's more, but I'm tired of typing. I will review it a second full time this evening just to make sure I read everything correctly and to post the POSITIVES also. I do appreciate the efforts of our Local 357 guys over the years, I really do, but we can do much better.
The Iraqi Navy has less leaks than this new TA.
1. 125% pay awarded over 87 hrs. Sounds great, but the contractual language only counts flight time and dead head pay. So training pay for ground school, reserve guarantee, and holiday pay aren't added to this. Its pretty hard to actually fly and dh over 87hrs and still have a life with days off.
2. If reserve coverage its at least 10% system-wide for CAs and FOs, said pilot must be allowed to drop a trip if he/she wants. So for ex. if there are 400 bid lines system-wide and 40 reserve spread through-out all bases to cover them, sked must allow you to drop the trip. Sounds good, but this is all a big mystery here, pilots have zero access to the sked software to see if the company is being truthful. I've been here almost two years and caught crewsked in two outright lies.
3. Reserve language, in our old contract reserves are supposed to be called in reverse seniority but the actual language also says "at the needs of the company" (I'm paraphrasing here since its not in front of me) so they can call in whatever order they want. This is a big hole and after sifting through I didn't see any improvements here, this is a basic standard that even most regionals have. Plus, like I said everything is a big mystery here, no access to see if a reserve pilot is on deck or not.
a. Long Call vs. Short Call Reserve, the new language has a LCR, great, but there is no language which requires the company to use it, plus there's a stipulation that if given 12 hours notice you can be put back on to SCR regardless of seniority... POINTLESS
4. Pilot must now be contactable by the company while on duty. Reserves must call crewsked to be released, its always been like that, but lineholders must be fully contactable? This IS a concession. Furthermore, to add salt, the new language also says, and it's a bit vague; but that if you check our sked/bidding website called flica, your automatically notified. They don't even have to call you. Super sketchy.
5. No improvements to medical insurance or negotiations in this area at all. Company covers 65%, but no cap. This can very easily soak up our pay raises.
6. Co-basing for NYC, I'll re-read the actual language later, but read: based in LGA and get into EWR at 0130 for a 12 hr. overnight? No hotel for you! This is an another CONCESSION.
7. 26/hr first year FO pay... Numerous prior company and IBT proposals actually agreed on first year FO pay being 30/hr. 26 is better than 22.95, but only in the same ballpark at, Xjet, and Eagle, not better. They'll probably have to keep giving new hire bonuses at this rate. Plus, were short of SkyW and Horizon. I don't see this fixing our staffing problems or perking much extra interest...
There's more, but I'm tired of typing. I will review it a second full time this evening just to make sure I read everything correctly and to post the POSITIVES also. I do appreciate the efforts of our Local 357 guys over the years, I really do, but we can do much better.
The Iraqi Navy has less leaks than this new TA.
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poser765
Well-Known Member
If you find a single positive that isn't almost immediately countered by crappy language thus nullifying the it, would please post it...I would like to know.