"...plenty of pilots willing to fly—if the pay’s right."

KingAir said:
I think my uncle would disagree, after spending 27 years with a prominent regional carrier just to get pink slipped at age 62. He took more than one pay concession for the good of the company. From my perspective the airline "golden arms" have been too greedy for too long.
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Your uncle would be the exception. We do polling on this stuff all the time. The senior guys expect to maintain their big pay advantage. They're not interested in redistributing it to the lower parts of the list. And I can understand why. I put up with crappy pay for a long time to get to the point of making good pay. To give it up now would be a pretty big sacrifice.
 
KingAir said:
I think my uncle would disagree, after spending 27 years with a prominent regional carrier just to get pink slipped at age 62. He took more than one pay concession for the good of the company. From my perspective the airline "golden arms" have been too greedy for too long.
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It's a concern of mine as well, especially at the commuter level. In order to take effect the union would need to negotiate a "track" that pilots can choose, one would be get your money up front, ie higher pay to start, less at the top and the other would be the current system.

I also don't like the huge disparity in pay between CA and FO.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Your uncle would be the exception. We do polling on this stuff all the time. The senior guys expect to maintain their big pay advantage. They're not interested in redistributing it to the lower parts of the list. And I can understand why. I put up with crappy pay for a long time to get to the point of making good pay. To give it up now would be a pretty big sacrifice
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I am quite certain that your "polls" only reflect the opinions of employed pilots, try asking the guys on the other side of the fence.
 
KingAir said:
I am quite certain that your "polls" only reflect the opinions of employed pilots, try asking the guys on the other side of the fence.
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The only ones that can vote on contracts are the ones who are employed. So I'm not sure what your point is. You can't change a contract without people voting on it.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The only ones that can vote on contracts are the ones who are employed. So I'm not sure what your point is. You can't change a contract without people voting on it.
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My point is this... The airline industry is made up of two and maybe three "parties" not dissimilar to the U.S. government. Instead of democrats, republicans, and independents you have overpaid, underpaid and the "in the middle" pilots. Therefore your "polls and contracts" only represent the opinion of the majority. The unanswered question is which party controls that majority, do you know? Because I have never seen the data regarding the percentage make up of senior vs. junior pilots. Regardless to the answer of that question, my opinion is, the system is broken, much like our own government, and those who feel they are "entitled" to something are the problem and not the solution.
 
Regardless, you can only change things with a vote. And the only people who can vote are the ones who are currently employed, which are the ones being polled. Do you not see what I'm getting at here? You can have all of the ideals you want, but none of them matter if they aren't achievable.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
It's easy to say "let go." It's a bit harder to actually let go when you're looking at a loss of your seat, a loss of money, and a commute to the west coast just to maintain bidding power. People shouldn't just "let go" over something like that. They should look for solutions instead of being pissed off or just giving up.
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Todd, I wasn't speaking to you or your situation. If I do, I will make it clear what I am speaking to. None of that high school BS with me.

I was speaking to all the things that can go on during day to day ops that we as pilots have little or no control over improving. Do your job within the limits of its description and let everything else fall where it will.

I offer up help and suggestions once, as soon as I am blown off I'm done. Much less stress that way.
 
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