Comair 5191/Eyewitness Animations

Wow sure does make a difference hearing the actual recordings as opposed to reading it.......I have a friend that lives in Lexington....last year we ventured out to the crash site ( what's left of it after the reconstruction of the airport) and also the memorial.....they did a great job on it
 
Forgive me if this was discussed in the previous seven pages and I didn't see it, but I'm curious what your reactions would be to the lights not being on. Would you think that you might be on the wrong runway, or would it be more of a response like these guys of "eh, that's weird"
 
Murdoughnut said:
Forgive me if this was discussed in the previous seven pages and I didn't see it, but I'm curious what your reactions would be to the lights not being on. Would you think that you might be on the wrong runway, or would it be more of a response like these guys of "eh, that's weird"
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We can't takeoff without the runway lights turned on, so it's not something I've ever seen in a jet.

I'll say this though, I've said a handful of times, "Hey isn't X kind of weird?" Not in a concerning way, it's just that you see a lot of different airports do a lot of little quirky things, and not every minute difference is a flag marking impending doom.
 
jtrain609 said:
We can't takeoff without the runway lights turned on, so it's not something I've ever seen in a jet.

I'll say this though, I've said a handful of times, "Hey isn't X kind of weird?" Not in a concerning way, it's just that you see a lot of different airports do a lot of little quirky things, and not every minute difference is a flag marking impending doom.
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That makes sense. Reminds me of one time when I was taxiing in right before a Hawker had landed. They were given instructions to taxi back to the ramp via Alpha which also happened to be Runway 35L/17R during daytime ops. The crew questioned their location twice given the runway markings and ATC, for whatever reason, didn't explain that it was a daytime VFR runway as well, only assuring them that they were on the taxiway. I let them know after I cleaned up the plane and was walking back to the ramp.
 
Murdoughnut said:
That makes sense. Reminds me of one time when I was taxiing in right before a Hawker had landed. They were given instructions to taxi back to the ramp via Alpha which also happened to be Runway 35L/17R during daytime ops. The crew questioned their location twice given the runway markings and ATC, for whatever reason, didn't explain that it was a daytime VFR runway as well, only assuring them that they were on the taxiway. I let them know after I cleaned up the plane and was walking back to the ramp.
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That sounds like a terrible situation. I'd certainly be a little puckered taxiing down what looks like a runway if I wasn't familiar with the field.
 
Listening to this makes my stomach roll. Even though the NTSB didn't think fatigue was a factor

" #10 in the report. The the flight crewmembers' did make some errors during their pre-flight activities
and the taxi to the runway, but the NTSB stated there was insufficient evidence to determine whether
fatigue affected their performance."

Many studies have shown that fatigue can present itself much like intoxication when it comes to higher level thought processes, and although I am not sure what the crews' rest cycle was from preceding off duty periods, I have to believe that fatigue played some roll in this event.
 
Murdoughnut said:
That makes sense. Reminds me of one time when I was taxiing in right before a Hawker had landed. They were given instructions to taxi back to the ramp via Alpha which also happened to be Runway 35L/17R during daytime ops. The crew questioned their location twice given the runway markings and ATC, for whatever reason, didn't explain that it was a daytime VFR runway as well, only assuring them that they were on the taxiway. I let them know after I cleaned up the plane and was walking back to the ramp.
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Yeah, Detroit and Minnie both use a runway as a taxiway, which is really, really strange for me since I don't operate every other leg out of those airports. I'm always concerned about being in the wrong place when we're just sitting out there.
 
jtrain609 said:
We can't takeoff without the runway lights turned on, so it's not something I've ever seen in a jet.

I'll say this though, I've said a handful of times, "Hey isn't X kind of weird?" Not in a concerning way, it's just that you see a lot of different airports do a lot of little quirky things, and not every minute difference is a flag marking impending doom.
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One of the holding position signs at Yuma blinks in time with the wig-wags next to it, and so on.
 
I'm curious if anybody who, the the other thread about this crash about 2 months ago, said there was no way they'd make that mistake and ending up on the wrong runway was pure negligence, has changed their mind at all about it after seeing this.
 
BobDDuck said:
I'm curious if anybody who, the the other thread about this crash about 2 months ago, said there was no way they'd make that mistake and ending up on the wrong runway was pure negligence, has changed their mind at all about it after seeing this.
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What about this video simulation might cause a change in opinion of those that thought the crew was negligent or to be more specific, reckless under Kentucky law?

I don't want another debate, just curious what the video might have revealed.
 
BobDDuck said:
Because 10 years is a long, long time for a lightbulb to not need replacement.
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Oh, no. It's a wiring problem. The sign turns off and on in time with the guard lights. The bulbs are just fine. In fact, they'll probably last longer than the other signs on the field.
 
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