B767
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I'm sure you already know, but just in case:
The Eagle NY CA rep is a HUGE Tea Bagger too. Hard core. He is one of, if not THE, loudest voices at that company.
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I'm sure you already know, but just in case:
The Eagle NY CA rep is a HUGE Tea Bagger too. Hard core. He is one of, if not THE, loudest voices at that company.
I think you're rolling into a dusty wild west town replete with outlaws and a couple of overworked sheriffs and wondering about why no one's taking care of that horse double-parked in front of the saloon.
You volunteering your services, son?
Gonzo
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Holy hell, did you see the photos from the meeting. Ray has gotten big like 300-350 lbs big.
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
You been using that one too much lately (yes, I'm really bored at home on my snow day). Don't go full retard.
You muh muh make me haaaapyyyy.
B767
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No, I haven't seen the photos. I saw him last summer though chowin' down more than a few cheeseburgers though. Wouldn't be surprised he's gotten bigger.
Seggy
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I really have no idea about that.
I do know though my place LOVES folks who come from their regional feed and for very good reasons.
Seggy
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Someone from the Eagle MEC needs to launch an immediate investigation into his expenses then to see if he got fat off of ALPA dues dollars!
PhilosopherPilot
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I think you're rolling into a dusty wild west town replete with outlaws and a couple of overworked sheriffs and wondering about why no one's taking care of that horse double-parked in front of the saloon.
You volunteering your services, son?
I've got spare time.
Gonzo
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What they are still claiming victory.
Gonzo
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For everyone else
ALPA MEC Declines to Send Agreement to Our Pilots for a Ratification Vote
Dear Team,
I am extremely disappointed the Master Executive Council (MEC) of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) decided yesterday not to send the Tentative Agreement (TA) to our pilots for a ratification vote. Unfortunately, their decision to deny our pilots a vote means the loss of what would have been a very important opportunity for each individual pilot, our company and all the people who work here.
Before discussing what this means for us moving forward, I want to give you some background about what happened between the time the negotiations began and yesterday’s MEC decision. Beginning last December, our team worked tirelessly with the MEC’s negotiating committee to craft an agreement that not only contained compromises by both sides, but also would have benefited both the company and our pilots. On Jan. 10, the MEC ultimately agreed to what became the Agreement in Principle (AIP). The parties then began working over the last month to develop detailed contract language from the AIP to create the TA.
The TA’s terms addressed each of the most important priorities for our pilots that ALPA identified, while staying within the economic framework supported by company. If ratified by our pilots, it would have: enhanced our pilots’ job security; improved their ability to quickly advance their careers here and at American Airlines with industry-leading flow through; provided us with our first-ever fleet commitment for a minimum of 170 aircraft; and ensured the placement of new, larger regional jets, the Embraer 175s (E175), at our company. The resulting language from this back and forth was deemed satisfactory and in keeping with the AIP by both the company and the MEC’s negotiating committee. This was then sent to the MEC and yesterday they declined to send it out for a pilot vote.
American has now informed us they have no choice but to begin looking for another regional carrier or carriers to operate their E175s. American has held off on making this decision as long as possible, as they wanted to give our pilots the chance to do this flying. This was discussed with ALPA and with yesterday’s MEC decision, American can’t wait any longer and will begin these efforts immediately.
American Eagle Airlines will continue to work toward making our flying operation as competitive as possible while addressing the downsizing of our fleet and related staffing in the coming years. Unfortunately, many difficult decisions will have to be made during this time. We will proceed with retiring some of the smaller aircraft in our current fleet. American can also be expected to look for more economic options to provide regional feed and, eventually, other and more cost-effective carriers will fly the larger aircraft currently on our certificate such as the Bombardier CRJ700s.
While the AIP would have offered our pilots and our flying business a robust future, I do want to stress our company does not and has not relied on flying alone to generate growth and revenue. American Eagle Airlines will remain an airline, even with our reduced flying operation. The ALPA MEC’s statement asking us to provide a timetable for the company's "liquidation" is not something we can provide as we are not planning to shut down the airline. Our ground handling operation continues to thrive and we have added new business and employees there at a rapid pace and will aggressively seek to continue this trend. The MEC’s decision does not change or impact this and opportunities still exist there, but I have no reason to believe American will offer us new large regional jet flying after these unsuccessful negotiations.
I commit to keeping you updated on this process, news and developments as we move forward and as more details are known.
As always, thank you for all of your work on behalf of our customers and company.
Regards,
Pedro
ALPA MEC Declines to Send Agreement to Our Pilots for a Ratification Vote
Dear Team,
I am extremely disappointed the Master Executive Council (MEC) of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) decided yesterday not to send the Tentative Agreement (TA) to our pilots for a ratification vote. Unfortunately, their decision to deny our pilots a vote means the loss of what would have been a very important opportunity for each individual pilot, our company and all the people who work here.
Before discussing what this means for us moving forward, I want to give you some background about what happened between the time the negotiations began and yesterday’s MEC decision. Beginning last December, our team worked tirelessly with the MEC’s negotiating committee to craft an agreement that not only contained compromises by both sides, but also would have benefited both the company and our pilots. On Jan. 10, the MEC ultimately agreed to what became the Agreement in Principle (AIP). The parties then began working over the last month to develop detailed contract language from the AIP to create the TA.
The TA’s terms addressed each of the most important priorities for our pilots that ALPA identified, while staying within the economic framework supported by company. If ratified by our pilots, it would have: enhanced our pilots’ job security; improved their ability to quickly advance their careers here and at American Airlines with industry-leading flow through; provided us with our first-ever fleet commitment for a minimum of 170 aircraft; and ensured the placement of new, larger regional jets, the Embraer 175s (E175), at our company. The resulting language from this back and forth was deemed satisfactory and in keeping with the AIP by both the company and the MEC’s negotiating committee. This was then sent to the MEC and yesterday they declined to send it out for a pilot vote.
American has now informed us they have no choice but to begin looking for another regional carrier or carriers to operate their E175s. American has held off on making this decision as long as possible, as they wanted to give our pilots the chance to do this flying. This was discussed with ALPA and with yesterday’s MEC decision, American can’t wait any longer and will begin these efforts immediately.
American Eagle Airlines will continue to work toward making our flying operation as competitive as possible while addressing the downsizing of our fleet and related staffing in the coming years. Unfortunately, many difficult decisions will have to be made during this time. We will proceed with retiring some of the smaller aircraft in our current fleet. American can also be expected to look for more economic options to provide regional feed and, eventually, other and more cost-effective carriers will fly the larger aircraft currently on our certificate such as the Bombardier CRJ700s.
While the AIP would have offered our pilots and our flying business a robust future, I do want to stress our company does not and has not relied on flying alone to generate growth and revenue. American Eagle Airlines will remain an airline, even with our reduced flying operation. The ALPA MEC’s statement asking us to provide a timetable for the company's "liquidation" is not something we can provide as we are not planning to shut down the airline. Our ground handling operation continues to thrive and we have added new business and employees there at a rapid pace and will aggressively seek to continue this trend. The MEC’s decision does not change or impact this and opportunities still exist there, but I have no reason to believe American will offer us new large regional jet flying after these unsuccessful negotiations.
I commit to keeping you updated on this process, news and developments as we move forward and as more details are known.
As always, thank you for all of your work on behalf of our customers and company.
Regards,
Pedro
embraer07
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Yep. And like Gonzo mentioned the idiot teabaggers still think they have won.
I'll post Pedro's letter in a bit. I'm on my phone right now and honestly too angry.
Seggy
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So, @Firebird2XC, think that is still a bluff? Did you really win if you have to fly one of your former American Eagle aircraft at another airline?
Classic "divide and conquer".
Be ready for pressures from the other labor groups to "OMG guys, you're going to destroy us all!" you at every opportunity.
I've seen that both at Skyway and at Delta. It's nothing new.
If "The Money" wants to liquidate, there's nothing you can do to stop it.
If "The Money" wants to run an airline, they'll be back to the negotiating table, of course, after few weeks (months?) of a "FUD" campaign (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
It's a normal, wholly expected part of the process. But they will use this time to build leverage at the negotiating table.
Be ready for pressures from the other labor groups to "OMG guys, you're going to destroy us all!" you at every opportunity.
I've seen that both at Skyway and at Delta. It's nothing new.
If "The Money" wants to liquidate, there's nothing you can do to stop it.
If "The Money" wants to run an airline, they'll be back to the negotiating table, of course, after few weeks (months?) of a "FUD" campaign (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).
It's a normal, wholly expected part of the process. But they will use this time to build leverage at the negotiating table.
Rocketman99
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Not sending it out was still the best decision, well aside from actually sending it out and getting a unanimous no vote.
I don't think Pedro has any idea if it's a bluff or not.
It's all up to the board.
Eagle ALPA and every Eagle management aren't the King and Queen in the chess game, they're more or less rooks, knights and bishops.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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If you read the letter, it's easy to see what's going to happen. They're going to stay in business, but they'll be a fraction of the size they currently are. AAG will slowly move airplanes to someone more willing to "play ball" with their hardball tactics, and Envoy will become a small RJ operator and ground service provider. PSA will grow, and Envoy will shrink.
But if that's what the EGL pilots want, then I'm not going to tell them that they shouldn't have it. I admire people who are willing to put it all on the line for the overall profession. I just hope that that's what they were really doing, and not just hoping that this was some sort of bluff. Because it's not. You're interchangeable, and they know it.
But if that's what the EGL pilots want, then I'm not going to tell them that they shouldn't have it. I admire people who are willing to put it all on the line for the overall profession. I just hope that that's what they were really doing, and not just hoping that this was some sort of bluff. Because it's not. You're interchangeable, and they know it.
Screaming_Emu
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So...if that is your logic. When exactly should one actually stand up and say enough is enough? What, in your opinion would be the line that has to be crossed before regional pilots stand up and say no?