United Pulling out of CLE

Sounds like I'll be getting displaced here before too long. Time to start crashpad hunting in ORD and EWR. Being able to drive into work made reserve almost tolerable.
 
rd757 said:
Sounds like I'll be getting displaced here before too long. Time to start crashpad hunting in ORD and EWR. Being able to drive into work made reserve almost tolerable.
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They say what size might remain CLE or is it 0?
 
jtrain609 said:
Nobody knows yet. Is what where you'll be based? If not, any hope of doing OE there??
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I have a base trade of 3/1 to CLE. It was ORD. Maybe I should of kept it. Did I hear you going to bid the CRJ for DTW? That before or after one list with SKW? 8)
 
Pittsburgh was just as delusional as everyone else when it came to the closure of the Airways hub. "Our airport is great! Pittsburgh is great! Why'd they leave (and leave us with this giant under-utilized airport)?"

PIT, CLE and nearly any other middle 'Merica "flyover" state are not near anything of great value to people who don't live there. For better AND worse, CLE and PIT aren't NYC, DC or any other large city people WANT to go to or end up in. Once large and vibrant manufacturing that required more people to travel are all but gone. We have quite a few universities, hospitals and tech in the Pittsburgh area, but it's not like steel and it's associated industries which employed hundreds of thousands of people.

My Dad worked as a mechanic for a small airline that flew out of DET in the 60's. They flew Aztecs and Dehavilland Doves from BKL to DET nearly hourly during the week. Imagine the amount of auto manufacturing ( not just the Big 3 but all of their suppliers) and associated travel going on between Detroit and Cleveland in those days to justify that kind of frequency, albeit with limited seats. Having worked charter, many CEO's and upper managers still value face to face meetings. But with the interwebs, the amount of travel required in the business world seems to have dropped off.

No one likes losing their hub, but the hubs that have been lost have made sense. Just not to the people employed by the hub carriers. Pittsburgh was hammered by the Airways pull out. It was nearly like losing the steel industry again. And everyone hates the hub carrier too, until they're gone. Yeah, fares dropped 60% since Usairways left Pittsburgh. And we also lost 10,000 jobs and went from 450 daily departures to 130.

Sorry CLE, it was fun while it lasted. Have to steel myself for the commute to EWR or IAD or (insert UAL hub) here. It was nice to drive to my base and my "crashpad" was my brothers house 40 min from CLE. Question is do I stick it out at C5 or more actively search for other employment?
 
PIT died because the airport raised their rates and was arrogant and thought US would never leave. They need us, apparently they didn't. So PIT's closure is a different can of beans than CLE. CLE probably doesn't have much O&D traffic. and it's very close to ORD.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
PIT died because the airport raised their rates and was arrogant and thought US would never leave. They need us, apparently they didn't. So PIT's closure is a different can of beans than CLE. CLE probably doesn't have much O&D traffic. and it's very close to ORD.
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The rate thing was one piece of a puzzle. I think that part of "they need us" thinking was that "we" built them an airport. How could they leave when we built them a great airport! I heard that PIT only made up 20% of Airways originating traffic and that was when the only other hubs were CLT and PHL. And PIT was very close to PHL. Not that different of a situation in my mind, but there are some variables to be sure.
 
http://crankyflier.com/2014/02/10/e...-reduce-express-flying-due-to-pilot-shortage/


"The impact of new rest rules and higher minimum hour requirements for commercial pilots in the US continues to have bigger and bigger implications. Last week, I wrote about the severe issues Great Lakes was facing, but now it’s much larger ExpressJet that’s being forced to reduce its flying… though there’s something a little fishy here.

This revelation stemmed from my post on United’s decision to blame the new pilot rules for the timing of the announced dismantling of the airline’s Cleveland hub. I had reached out to ExpressJet, United’s largest partner in Cleveland and one of its largest regional feeders overall, to see if the airline was forced to cancel flying due to a pilot shortage.

I heard back from Jarek Beem at the airline with the following. (The response didn’t arrive until after the post went live, so if you read it before I could update, you may not have seen this.)

While the new pilot qualification rules implemented in August 2013, along with the compounding effect of the new FAR117 flight time and rest requirements, have created an increased need for pilots industry-wide, ExpressJet Airlines continues to attract qualified pilots.

Seems pretty straightforward, right? Well the next afternoon, the story changed abruptly when Jarek sent me a follow-up:..."
 
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That is except the CEO at UA. Reading the 56 page supplement in this months Hemisphere magazine. Heard the shareholder meeting is in CLE this summer. How will they get here?

#luvcak
 
Max Power said:
Pittsburgh was just as delusional as everyone else when it came to the closure of the Airways hub. "Our airport is great! Pittsburgh is great! Why'd they leave (and leave us with this giant under-utilized airport)?"

PIT, CLE and nearly any other middle 'Merica "flyover" state are not near anything of great value to people who don't live there. For better AND worse, CLE and PIT aren't NYC, DC or any other large city people WANT to go to or end up in. Once large and vibrant manufacturing that required more people to travel are all but gone. We have quite a few universities, hospitals and tech in the Pittsburgh area, but it's not like steel and it's associated industries which employed hundreds of thousands of people.
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I think you missed the reason for having hubs in or near the middle of the US. It allows for minimal overlap of flying. An example is US airways. They have the worst network. If I want to fly to the west coast I first need to fly to the east coast. Not very logical and doesn't exactly make for a happy passenger.

I had to do SEA-PHX-OAK once to get to get home from training. That is something like an additional 3-4 hours of flying. Had US Air had a better hub placement out west it would have reduced the overlap considerably.

The problem is that CLE is in a bad position with the larger hubs. It isn't needed. United could make it profitable by building up mainline and having more connections but it doesn't make sense with ORD pretty much next door.
 
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