AirTran not allowing offline Dispatch to Flight Deck Jumpseat

Just gotta keep calmly saying "I'm in CASS" over and over again and they'll get the point. I actually learned that from someone here. And it's gotten me out of jams multiple times.
 
manniax said:
Not sure of their procedures but FedEx does allow offline dispatchers to ride on them. I know someone who did it recently.
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FedEx allows dispatchers to Jumpseat....however, you cannot sit up on the flight deck. This also means you cannot J/S on the 767 and 777 as there is no flight deck door. It's a corporate security policy. The seats in the back are decent though. When you want to jump on the purple jet, you have to call to list. Any other ?s PM me.
 
PlaneFan82 said:
FedEx allows dispatchers to Jumpseat....however, you cannot sit up on the flight deck. This also means you cannot J/S on the 767 and 777 as there is no flight deck door. It's a corporate security policy. The seats in the back are decent though. When you want to jump on the purple jet, you have to call to list. Any other ?s PM me.
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IIRC, my co-worker was offered a chance to sit in the flight deck jumpseat if he wanted to. He chose to sit in the back seats instead. Of course you may be correct about the corporate policy and that crew was just choosing to ignore it.
 
PHL_Approach said:
Well that doesn't necessarily apply considering there is no gate agent...
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There's no gate agent but there's the fedex personnel who checks you in. What happens or happened on fedex flights are obviously between the jumpseater and PIC but the policy is no dispatchers on the flight deck. With that said, if you don't get pass that person checking you in on fedex your chances of seeing the PIC for your flight are slim.
 
Hecklers2002 said:
There's no gate agent but there's the fedex personnel who checks you in. What happens or happened on fedex flights are obviously between the jumpseater and PIC but the policy is no dispatchers on the flight deck. With that said, if you don't get pass that person checking you in on fedex your chances of seeing the PIC for your flight are slim.
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I'd like to think the Cargo carrier employees have the best understanding and training on the workings of CASS/Jumpseaters than any other PAX carrier employee out there.
 
PHL_Approach said:
I'd like to think the Cargo carrier employees have the best understanding and training on the workings of CASS/Jumpseaters than any other PAX carrier employee out there.
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True but it's not a CASS policy. It's an in house policy that prohibits us dispatchers on their flight deck. Just like certain carriers have an in house policy not to allow crew members on carriers who don't have a reciprocating jumpseat agreement on their flight deck. It sucks but in house policies override CASS.
 
manniax said:
IIRC, my co-worker was offered a chance to sit in the flight deck jumpseat if he wanted to. He chose to sit in the back seats instead. Of course you may be correct about the corporate policy and that crew was just choosing to ignore it.
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It goes without saying, that the captain has the final call with that. Jumpseats will not let an OAL list on the 76/77 because of that. Some of our crews are still on the "dispatchers should not be allowed to sit in the flight deck" camp.
 
Hecklers2002 said:
True but it's not a CASS policy. It's an in house policy that prohibits us dispatchers on their flight deck. Just like certain carriers have an in house policy not to allow crew members on carriers who don't have a reciprocating jumpseat agreement on their flight deck. It sucks but in house policies override CASS.
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Additionally I have to take a "Jumpseat test" every 6 months to be able to Jumpseat on FedEx. It's a pain in the arse too. The benefit of jumping on us (and I assume UPS for that matter) is the hassles of security, and "getting a seat" are almost non-existent. If you get the opportunity to sit up front on an MD-10/11 do it....it's a nice ride.
 
PlaneFan82, what is the jumpseat test? Is it a gauntlet of gate agents and PICs hammering you?? Are you JS worthy?
 
PlaneFan82 said:
Additionally I have to take a "Jumpseat test" every 6 months to be able to Jumpseat on FedEx. It's a pain in the arse too. The benefit of jumping on us (and I assume UPS for that matter) is the hassles of security, and "getting a seat" are almost non-existent. If you get the opportunity to sit up front on an MD-10/11 do it....it's a nice ride.
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I worked as a ramper for FedEx pre-9/11 and remember the jumpseat test well. Of course, we all had the answers to it. And I had the fun job to occasionally tell some one to go shave or go home.

From what I gather from another message board, FedEx has gone to an extreme with dispatchers and jumpseats. To the point their own dispatchers have to book the flights as some kind of fam ride to sit in the "cockpit". Same with OAL pilots I hear.

UPS is different. All seats are considered cockpit seats and all CASS dispatchers are (or should be) welcome to occupy them. Of course it always comes down to captains' prerogative, but the crews always seem very welcoming.

Totally agree on the MD-11/10 seat. It's like sitting in Capt Kirk's seat behind the pilots.

Back to the original point of the thread, also asked a friend at FL who said there's been no policy change. It happens, I run into a similar situation once a year so with crews.
 
Im a dispatcher for FL and I can tell you that offline dispatchers CAN jumpseat with us. This must have been an isolated incident (prob a pilot who was too lazy to check). Sorry for the experience. was this yesterday? I was working those flights yesterday and didnt hear anything about it. As long as we have an agreement and your in CASS.
 
FlightController said:
@dispatchme / @McCrosky- thanks for the responses... It's all good now.
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Sorry I'm getting to this forum late. I heard back from Air Tran's Jumpseat Coordinator today, and he confirmed that there has been no policy change. Sorry the crew denied you and were unwilling to check their FOM or call their Dispatcher. It helps to get down to the cockpit in plenty of time to allow them to do this without causing a delay, but at some airlines the agents won't let you down until the last minute, so it isn't possible for an off-liner to do that. That shouldn't even be necessary, as the fact you're down there with paperwork means you're eligible, but even that's not enough sometimes. Happy Travels, Phil Brooks, ADF Jumpseat Coordinator
 
Phil Brooks said:
Sorry I'm getting to this forum late. I heard back from Air Tran's Jumpseat Coordinator today, and he confirmed that there has been no policy change. Sorry the crew denied you and were unwilling to check their FOM or call their Dispatcher. It helps to get down to the cockpit in plenty of time to allow them to do this without causing a delay, but at some airlines the agents won't let you down until the last minute, so it isn't possible for an off-liner to do that. That shouldn't even be necessary, as the fact you're down there with paperwork means you're eligible, but even that's not enough sometimes. Happy Travels, Phil Brooks, ADF Jumpseat Coordinator
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Welcome to JC Phil!
 
Phil Brooks said:
Sorry I'm getting to this forum late. I heard back from Air Tran's Jumpseat Coordinator today, and he confirmed that there has been no policy change. Sorry the crew denied you and were unwilling to check their FOM or call their Dispatcher. It helps to get down to the cockpit in plenty of time to allow them to do this without causing a delay, but at some airlines the agents won't let you down until the last minute, so it isn't possible for an off-liner to do that. That shouldn't even be necessary, as the fact you're down there with paperwork means you're eligible, but even that's not enough sometimes. Happy Travels, Phil Brooks, ADF Jumpseat Coordinator
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Phil- Which VOR are you camped out near typing this message?
 
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